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Christian Science Monitor Strikes Out in its Attack on Online Poker[ return to main articles page ]

By: Rich Muny    [See all articles by Rich Muny]
Published on Aug 25th, 2012
The poker community has been quite ecstatic over the recent U.S. v DiCristina ruling that the Illegal Gambling Businesses Act does not apply to poker. This ruling was the first at the Federal level on poker being a game of skill rather than gambling.

In his ruling, Judge Jack Weinstein said, “Neither the text of the IGBA nor its legislative history demonstrates that Congress designed the statute to cover all state gambling offenses. Nor does the definition of ‘gambling’ include games, such as poker, which are predominated by skill.”

The Christian Science Monitor (CSM) was, perhaps unsurprisingly, far less pleased, responding with its fifth editorial condemning online poker. This latest, entitled "Misdeal on Internet Poker Gambling," attacked the judge, the ruling, and the game of poker on many fronts, including even renaming the activity "poker gambling"!

In its analysis, CSM seemed confused that "gambling" can be defined by statute and, thus, can be defined differently by different laws. As a result, rather than seeking to show how the text of IGBA should have been interpreted as being applicable to poker, CSM instead suggested that Weinstein should have disregarded the text of the actual legislation and instead ruled based on activities CSM felt constituted "gambling."

Perhaps even most shockingly, CSM wrote, "Most of all, the ruling ignores the effects of opening the legislative floodgates for internet gaming." In other words, CSM is suggesting that Federal judges should base rulings on future decisions Congress and state legislatures might make, seeking to block preemptively actions they find objectionable.

As the CSM editorial page tends to support the Tenth Amendment and principles of limited government and separation of powers, the position advocating for judicial activism is rather uncharacteristic, to say the least. By "limited government," in this case it seems CSM really means they want it limited to the things they support. In those cases, apparently, the sky's the limit!

Fortunately, their readers were not falling for CSM's twisted, convoluted logic on this matter. In fact, it was quite gratifying to read the comments section. There are 69 comments in opposition to CSM's anti-poker position and zero in favor, showing that the American people are not quite as gullible as CSM's editorial board apparently believed them to be.

Rich Muny is the Vice President of Player Relations for the Poker Players Alliance. Visit ThePPA.org for more details.

Comments

  1. CSM= DIE!!!!
  2. lol religion
     
  3. Christian Science? That's a laugh and a half.
  4. the comments on the CSM website are pretty spot on
  5. It is sad that so many peoples cannot, or are unwilling to, see that POKER is not the roots of evil. POKER is far more than some game where you flip cards over and see numbers and suits. It is a game of SKILL and knowledge and it is for many, like myself, a way of life. It is time the Courts and legislature step up to the plate and allow the playing of online poker... not as a game of chance, as that is not what it represents, but rather, a game of skill and knowledge. THAT is what POKER is.
  6. The term 'Christian Science' is itself an oxymoron. Christians have tried to demonize scientists and science for 2,000 years. Christians jailed scientist Galileo for stating scientific FACTS, and Christians still try to demonize scientist Charles Darwin for again stating FACTS. The editors at the CSM are continuing this long tradition of ignoring real facts and replacing real facts with their own fake yarns as they attempt to demonize online poker by calling it 'internet poker gambling.'
    Only fools would subscribe to the Christian 'Science' Monitor. There is NO such thing as 'Christian Science.'
  7. 'By "limited government," in this case it seems CSM really means they want it limited to the things they support. In those cases, apparently, the sky's the limit'This part is not news at all. The religious right constantly talks about how they are in favor of 'less government'. Except when they want government to legislate abortion. And homosexuality. And anything else that they currently think that they are supposed to morally disagree with.Anyway. Great ruling. Just one more step toward online poker being legal again. Well done Judge Weinstein.
  8.  
    Originally Posted by 13inches View Post

    The term 'Christian Science' is itself an oxymoron. Christians have tried to demonize scientists and science for 2,000 years. Christians jailed scientist Galileo for stating scientific FACTS, and Christians still try to demonize scientist Charles Darwin for again stating FACTS. The editors at the CSM are continuing this long tradition of ignoring real facts and replacing real facts with their own fake yarns as they attempt to demonize online poker by calling it 'internet poker gambling.'
    Only fools would subscribe to the Christian 'Science' Monitor. There is NO such thing as 'Christian Science.'

    Obviously, there are a few things you don't understand.
    1. The Christian Scientists are NOT mainstream Christians.
    2. The "Christians" that jailed Galileo were a political/religious sect. Again, not mainstream Christians.
    3. Darwinism has STILL not been proven. The "proofs" that surfaced have all been proved fake.
    4 MOST IMPORTANTLY... this is is discussion about POKER. Take your bigotry somewhere else. Bigotry in ANY form, no matter what the belief system, is ugly and unwanted.
  9.  
    Originally Posted by ThatsSir2U View Post

    Obviously, there are a few things you don't understand.
    1. The Christian Scientists are NOT mainstream Christians.
    2. The "Christians" that jailed Galileo were a political/religious sect. Again, not mainstream Christians.
    3. Darwinism has STILL not been proven. The "proofs" that surfaced have all been proved fake.
    4 MOST IMPORTANTLY... this is is discussion about POKER. Take your bigotry somewhere else. Bigotry in ANY form, no matter what the belief system, is ugly and unwanted.

    LOL @ this butt hurt christian doucebag. Let me guess the priests that like little boys aren't "mainstream christians," either? Are they just old school by chance?
     
  10. Maybe CSMs are upset because poker is not putting money in their pockets... When reading the 'Misdeal' article, I couldn't help but notice the advertisements at the top, bottom, and down the side. A Lenny Kravits concert was being advertised across the top - and - I found a *gem* at the bottom ---> Win a trip to Las Vegas! I took a snapshot, but, can't upload it here. LMAO.
  11.  
    Originally Posted by ThatsSir2U View Post

    Obviously, there are a few things you don't understand.
    1. The Christian Scientists are NOT mainstream Christians.
    2. The "Christians" that jailed Galileo were a political/religious sect. Again, not mainstream Christians.
    3. Darwinism has STILL not been proven. The "proofs" that surfaced have all been proved fake.
    4 MOST IMPORTANTLY... this is is discussion about POKER. Take your bigotry somewhere else. Bigotry in ANY form, no matter what the belief system, is ugly and unwanted.

    He is not a bigot, he is just stating how some assholes use religion as a front to push their position on issues on other people. They are the true enemy of any real Christian...
  12. id like to see all the top brass csm's play some poker and prove its NOT a game of skill ,basically they can sit down and play than show the world how lucky they can be.when a few of the skilled players take their money they can than cry that they weren't getting good cards

    however to avoid confusion we shall have card cams to show just how bad they got abused at the table
    Edited By: double_kyan Aug 25th, 2012 at 08:11 PM
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  13. On CSM, their opposition to online poker is a little out of character for a publication whose editorial board tends towards humanistic center-left policy.

    The same can emphatically NOT be said for the flag waving, bible thumping legions of the Tea Party or Religious Right to whom the modern GOP is sadly beholden. Their arguments, both in general and in the linked article, could be used to push for banning alcohol, stocks trading, credit cards or cheeseburgers.

    ThatsSir2u, when Christians -- or their apologists who want to argue "Darwinism" (aka "modern biology" which is probably better supported than gravity), or who don't know that Galileo's jailing was at the hands of the Catholic Church (hardly a "sect" now or in the 1520s) -- use their faith as justification for policy, they open the door to all sorts conversations that some may find uncomfortable. If you don't like it, either toughen up or convince your brethren to stop legislating THEIR morality.
  14. Once again.... the discussion is about POKER. Geez, get a grip.
    But to answer some of the statements above.... "Christian doucebag"?? there's an unbiased, tolerant point of view! (sarcasm intended)
    Scientifically, Darwinism is not "better supported than gravity". When can a theory overrule a law of thermodynamics, as in entropy?
    As far as the Catholic church goes, and I believe many, many Catholics are saved Christians.... but the organization is, has and will always be a political force that has used religion for the wrong reasons. All the atrocities in religious history... crusades, the Spanish inquisition (nobody expects the Spanish inquisition) and the "priests that like little boys" can be traced back to the Catholic church. The Catholic church holds many beliefs that are not Biblical and, yes, I do not consider them (personal opinion) to be mainstream Christians.
    As I said, this should be about poker, not religion. Jesus said I should turn the other cheek, but insult me or my God and the cheek you see won't be on my face.
    You think I'm a douchbag? Bring that attitude to the table and I'll squash you.
  15.  
    Originally Posted by Hoobangin View Post

    LOL @ this butt hurt christian doucebag. Let me guess the priests that like little boys aren't "mainstream christians," either? Are they just old school by chance?

    ^^^ this tho!
     
  16. I raise. You join the conversation with Christian sectarianism and incompetent science and then say it's supposed to be about poker?

    First of all the earth by itself is not a closed system so the Second Law of Thermodynamics doesn't even apply. You have to also account for the incoming sunlight and the outgoing infrared and microwaves. The much greater number of outgoing photons allows for a much greater number of states, which means the entropy of the whole system increases with time.
    Secondly what is the mechanism by which energy deforms spacetime, causing the illusion you call gravity? Nobody knows, you say? That's just crazy.
    Third wth does "Darwinism" even mean anyway? Evolution? Go read some books or wikipedia or something.
    Finally (and no I'm not Catholic) while it's not my favorite organization, I don't know where to start with your statements about Catholicism. Those and your presumption that you're qualified for opinion on who's "saved", especially after your complaint about bias and call for tolerance... wow! Clear the log from your own eye, then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's.

    Sir, you are drawing dead. I advise you to fold. :D
    Edited By: allotropic Aug 26th, 2012 at 02:09 AM
    Reason: formatting
  17. its all luck anyway
     
  18. This thread has turned into a devolution. Aren't we supposed to be ambassadors for the games? Use sound arguments to refute the CSM editorial much like those that commented in the original article. Don't be disrespectful, it only hurts your side. Thx Rich nice article.
  19.  
    Originally Posted by rebelfd View Post

    This thread has turned into a devolution. Aren't we supposed to be ambassadors for the games? Use sound arguments to refute the CSM editorial much like those that commented in the original article. Don't be disrespectful, it only hurts your side. Thx Rich nice article.

    Always seems so much anger and hate in those who don't believe in a higher power, though :)

    Now, back to poker?
  20. I bet they played poker at the last supper, if the truth was in the bible they wouldn't be moaning
 
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