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Is Daniel Negreanu in a Cult?[ return to main articles page ]

By: Dan Katz    [See all articles by Dan Katz]
Published on Mar 7th, 2013
With so much of the recent talk in the poker world centered on legalization and regulation, now might be a good time to kick back and engage in a little gossip. Something light. Something like, is Daniel Negreanu (pictured) in a cult?

The shorter answer is "probably not." But the topic, first broached by Bryan Micon on his website DonkDown, has been drawn to the forefront as members of the poker community have been trying to dissect exactly what has been going on with several poker pros, particularly Negreanu.

The discussion has centered on Negreanu’s involvement with Choice Center Leadership University, which says it “specializes in experiential education and leadership training designed for the successful person,” all of which takes place over a 100-day period. The program costs $2,700 and, according to Negreanu, while there are additional opportunities to spend more money, he has never been asked to open his pocketbook past the initial course.

However, the Choice Center could be “Large Group Awareness Training,” or LGAT. According to Wikipedia, LGATs are “activities usually offered by groups linked with the human potential movement which claim to increase self-awareness and bring about desirable transformations in individuals' personal lives.”

Picture a roomful of people with speakers telling everybody that they can empower themselves to “make their own future.” Participants often get broken down emotionally and end up sharing very intimate details of their lives with complete strangers. They are then built back up and instilled with hope, all the while forming emotional bonds with the other participants as they identify with the larger group.

As poker player Nick Binger (pictured), who also joined Choice Center, put it, “The techniques and games employed tend to make people introspective and often very uncomfortable.” Some researchers have drawn comparisons between LGATs and cults, namely when discussing training or thought-reformation techniques.

The criticism of Choice Center in the poker community stems largely from people’s distaste for its methods, the cost and potential ongoing money-grab, the organization’s push for members to recruit others, the lack of credentials of its instructors, and the general notion that it has no academic foundations and is essentially just a big cheerleading session. At worst, it’s a cult that takes people’s money and causes some to make poor life decisions that result in losing employment, friends, and family.

On his website, FullContactPoker, Negreanu answered people’s questions about the Choice Center. In one response, he assured people that the Center did not have its tentacles in him: "For 10+ years in this community, I've done nothing but live in integrity and call 'em like I see 'em. This 100-day course, and make no mistake that's exactly what it is, is something I think is really beneficial to people and I recommended it to many friends who shared that same view."

He added. "People who are throwing the term 'cult' around are totally misinformed as to what a cult actually is. You can't just leave a cult! This is a course. A course where you learn stuff and you leave when you are done. I have graduated and am not 'in' anything."

Binger, who is thought of as a very intelligent person, one who looks at things from a logical, scientific angle, had this to say about Choice Center on Two Plus Two: "Going into it, I knew that there was a broad spectrum of LGAT-type trainings that range from the craziest cults imaginable to really boring mainstream business development courses. The type of training regimen in LGATs can be used for positive or nefarious purposes and can be very effective at both. From the beginning, I was on the lookout for violations of integrity that would signal time for me to go, but I never saw anything that would qualify."

Binger summed up by saying, "I personally found it to be very interesting, fun, and generally a catalyst for positive life changes."

He did not like Choice Center’s urging of its participants to get their friends and family to sign up, but also understood it was a business that needed to make money. He was particularly impressed with the ability of the participants to band together to raise about $280,000 for the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. Negreanu raised almost $180,000, $50,000 of which was from his own pocket.

Some readers may remember that Negreanu posted a YouTube blog in which he got emotional when explaining why he decided to pass on this year's NBC National Heads-Up Poker Championship. He explained that he had made a commitment to spend time with friends and that he was re-evaluating how he lives his life, particularly when it comes to relationships.

As it turns out, those “friends” were his fellow Choice Center participants; he was attending Choice Center courses during the event. Upon realizing this, some members of the poker community became more skeptical of Choice Center, as it struck them as odd that Negreanu would hide the real reason for skipping the Heads-Up tournament and get so emotional talking about it.

Others, after hearing Negreanu's and Binger’s reviews of the program, are taking the “live and let live” attitude; it’s their money and if it was a positive experience with no further pressure for involvement or monetary commitment, then more power to them.

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Comments

  1. $2,700 sounds cheap compared to similar programs. I have a loved one who went through a program like this twice at $20,000 a pop and came out of it brainwashed into cutting ties with friends and family. They then unloaded another chunk of change to do something called "the work" that involved one exercise in which participants had to live on the street for several days and beg strangers for money. Yes...they paid tuition to live on the street and beg. The infamous "break you down and build you back up" creed. But no...not a cult, certainly not. You can leave at any time without a refund.
  2. What the hell is this? Nothing in this article sounds like a cult
  3. how bout leave him the fk alone?
  4. This sounds real absurd to call this a cult with ZERO to back that up... it sounds like some sort of self-improvement program with a lot of diff options, last time I checked self-improvement/leadership workshops were not cults lol
    Edited By: Illini213 Mar 7th, 2013 at 11:51 PM
  5. The title of this article is extreme and serves no purpose, save that of grabbing the attention of readers. Negraneau's name alone would attract readers, so this is extremely unfair IMO. I have come to expect better at Pocket Fives.
  6. wut?

    "now might be a good time to kick back and engage in a little gossip. Something light. Something like, is Daniel Negreanu (pictured) in a cult?"
    Edited By: G2thV Mar 8th, 2013 at 01:38 AM
  7. “The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of real estate they own”
     
  8. http://www.donkdown.com/daniel-negre...ter-scam-cult/

    Good read IMO
    Edited By: theman200050 Mar 8th, 2013 at 03:40 AM
     
  9. You know how I know that there isn't much going on in the poker world news worthy????? This article, and the one at donkdown............
  10. lol dont think hes in a cult
     
  11. i think the term cult was introduced in this post to get popularity....there is no resemblance of cult in that center....blv me i am in a cult and i know how it works
  12. The problem with brandishing the 'cult' iron in situations like this is that it stops people from asking better questions, such as whether LGATs run by people who aren't licensed practitioners can potentially wreak havoc on the mental states of certain people regardless of whether their physician signs off that they are currently mentally stable (which is why writers on the topic often draw comparisons between the two). It's not a coincidence that the typical LGAT is not run by a trained psychologist.
     
  13.  
    Originally Posted by BBPascua View Post

    “The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of real estate they own”

    There is no place for truth in this forum.
  14. As far as DN goes, he is not afraid to put himself out there, and although some may be tired of his act , or call him a self promoter, oh well. he probably doesnt care. I happen to think that he is usually a breath of fresh air. Also he is a bit older than many of the players these days, and speaking as an older guy, he may be figuring out that there is so much to learn about himself, the world and others. There is nothing wrong with trying to learn new things.
     
  15. This is without a douht the best internet poker forum iv found and iv bin on a few , PLEASE dont lower the standard of articles. I have no interest in "celebs" personal lives. i dont care if their on drugs/sleeping with prostitutes or joining a cult, unless it leads to him winning several bracelets and the main event its his business!
  16. Weird article to include in your editorial. Seems to me like he is trying to better himself and bandying around such taglines as "Is he in a cult?" is sensationalist at best, but more obviously lazy and misinformed. Try analyzing some profound poker hands rather than conforming to mainstream media mediocrity.
  17. This is a nice balanced article - and well written. 'Cult' is a loaded word - one thinks of Scientology and Jonestown. Using a strict definition, Choice Center does not apply.LGATs began in the 60s - the largest of them in the 70s was EST which is now called Landmark Education. I participated in Landmark Education programs off and on (that is for about 3 years in the last 20) and found them enormously beneficial. One helped me launch a new career, the other helped me launch a business I sold for $1.5m, the other helped me figure out why i was bouncing from relationship to relationship without finding 'the right one'.All these programs work on the following general question 'how am I getting in my own way'. That is, given the results I want in life, how are my stories, interpretations, beliefs, and assumptions sabotaging me.There is a lot of self disclosure - 'sharing' but you don't have to. You are not compelled to do anything.Landmark programs are hundreds of dollars and not thousands. I've probably done 12 or so in 20 years. The investment was immensely worthwhile.But they aren't for everyone. Some people seem to glide through life without some of the self-inflicted troubles I struggled with. For some people, the 'sharing' is uncomfortable (more reason to actually do it from a growth point of view).I have recommended such programs to 100 people or more - and I still have people email me occasionally after 15 years saying 'thanks - it completely changed my life and I'm grateful to you forever'.It is powerful stuff - not a cult by any sociological definition. (And no real researchers would call it one.) To invoke a strict definition, they could be called NRM (New Religious Movements) - and although they are strictly agnostic about belief in deities, they are religious in character by a strict sociological definition.I see criticisms of such things as a) usually based in ignorance (they have neither done the program or studied research), or b) the same sort of bigotry we despise in criticizing religions.I don't care much for traditional religions - but many people who are involved get a lot out of them - and my duty is to (as far as I possibly can) respect their right to participate.The same applies here I think.
     
  18.  
    Originally Posted by cha115 View Post

    This is without a douht the best internet poker forum iv found and iv bin on a few , PLEASE dont lower the standard of articles. I have no interest in "celebs" personal lives. i dont care if their on drugs/sleeping with prostitutes or joining a cult, unless it leads to him winning several bracelets and the main event its his business!

    Well you can read the stuff you care about and disregard the rest. I share your disdain for celebrities and that culture - but I haven't time or interest to let such things appear on my radar.
     
  19. If he goes on a sick run and starts shipping a bunch of tournies,,. everyone will join his "cult"...
     
 
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