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Feds Call Full Tilt Poker "Global Ponzi Scheme"[ return to main articles page ]

By: Dan
Published on Sep 20th, 2011
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse for Full Tilt Poker, which had its gaming license suspended by the Alderney Gambling Control Commission (AGCC) back in June, the U.S. Department of Justice asserted on Tuesday that the online poker room was “a massive Ponzi scheme against its own players,” according to Forbes, the Wall Street Journal, and a U.S. Government filing. This time, the Feds have singled out Howard Lederer, Chris Ferguson, and Rafe Furst.

In a Justice Department statement sourced by Forbes on Tuesday, U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, who oversaw the Black Friday indictments five months ago, argued, “Full Tilt was not a legitimate poker company, but a global Ponzi scheme. Full Tilt insiders lined their own pockets with funds picked from the pockets of their most loyal customers while blithely lying to both players and the public alike about the safety and security of the money deposited.” Allegedly, Full Tilt paid its executives and pros $443 million over the last four years.

Check out the thread in the Poker Sites forum.

A Department of Justice memo posted on Poker Strategy noted that Full Tilt “defrauded its poker players by misrepresenting to players that funds deposited into their online player accounts were secure and segregated from operating funds, while at the same time using player funds to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars to Full Tilt Poker owners. Full Tilt Poker was able to accomplish this massive fraud, in part, because it illegally conducted business in the United States, but maintained its personnel, operations, assets, and accounts principally overseas” in Ireland.

The amended filing charges that Full Tilt Poker owed $390 million to players around the world as of March 2011, but only had $59 million on-hand with which to do so. The rest, in addition to purportedly being paid out to owners, was used for such purposes as operating expenses.

The filing adds that the deception could have come from the company’s highest ranks: “In or about March 2008, [Ray Bitar (pictured) and Howard Lederer] advised a Full Tilt Poker employee that Full Tilt Poker could represent to players that Full Tilt Poker kept all of its player funds in segregated accounts and that funds would be available for withdrawal by players at all times.” Several form e-mails from Full Tilt Poker support staff are included; each asserts that player funds were kept in separate accounts at all times.

A thread that appeared in a poker forum, presumably TwoPlusTwo, appears in the filing, as does a response from Full Tilt Poker representative ftpdoug that claimed, “Players’ funds at Full Tilt Poker are kept in several deposit accounts throughout the world, all of which are separate and distinct from our operating accounts.”

The U.S. Government charges that Bitar received $41 million, a portion of which was deposited into a Nat West bank account numbered GB81 RBOS 6095 4234 0877 66. Lederer, meanwhile, received $42 million, a portion of which was deposited into a Wells Fargo bank account numbered 7655741861. Ferguson (pictured) allegedly topped both Lederer and Bitar by taking in $85 million, but only $25 million was actually paid to the Full Tilt Poker pro.

Furst received $11 million in distributions, while the other owners received the balance of the $443 million, according to the U.S. Government. The filing continues, “These ownership distributions continued at a rate of approximately $10 million per month when, by at least the summer of 2010, Full Tilt Poker’s management was aware that Full Tilt Poker was having difficulty collecting funds from U.S. player accounts.”

The filing concludes by saying that the owners of Full Tilt have made no attempt to repay the $300 million owed to players around the world and, “As of September 19th, 2011, Full Tilt Poker’s website stated that players’ funds were ‘safe and secure.’” A shortfall of around $130 million was reportedly built up for U.S. players alone after Full Tilt credited members’ accounts with funds before actually withdrawing from players’ bank accounts.

Meanwhile, the online poker community continues to wait for the results of a closed door meeting between Full Tilt Poker and AGCC officials in London. The hearing, which has apparently spilled over into a second day, could reveal even more of the inner workings of Full Tilt Poker.

Read the entire Forbes story, Wall Street Journal story, and amended complaint.

Comments

  1. fkin crooked pro's
  2. great stuff makes you want to keep playing online poker...
    Pretty sad to hear names like that involved guess its everywhere the same in this world where you have money you have fraud no exception...
  3. This makes pokerstars look that much better to me though. I hope that if those involved in this possible scam are found guilty that they get the penalty they are deserving of.
  4. More proof to the need of a regulated framework for the industry...cause when it isn't, a mess like this is created.
  5. You know the pros knew about it too. Thats probably the worst part.
  6. ok, well done feds, you shut down a corrupt site. what say you regarding pokerstars?
  7. I'm so glad I quit that site years before this happened. It was pretty obvious that the whole thing was a fucking scam.I remember telling people "FT is a huge ponzi scheme. You have to wait 1 month for YOUR money?"Basically they would just come back at me, like some of you do here, and pull out the tin foil hat line.If I had tens of thousands of dollars on that site, I would definitely find the "pros" and have a talk.

    Oh and I'm tired of all you shills raving about pokerstars.We have no idea what people are capable of half way across the world. You guys love pokerstars, because it is the best of the worst. Grow up, and learn a thing or two.
  8. fuck ferguson and all these pros fking crooks! DIE!
  9. Pathetic on so many levels. I seriously hope all the accused are brought to justice for this, if it's indeed true.
  10.  
    Originally Posted by OU_dlanger610 View Post

    More proof to the need of a regulated framework for the industry...cause when it isn't, a mess like this is created.


    Amen.
  11. see ya 140 grand.... fuck me
  12. Per the usual...F. U. F. T.
     
  13. Beat every single penny out of those crooked pros and pay the players back % wise with the total money available
  14. I wonder how many hundreds of millions Waco got away with...
  15. CHEATERS JUSTICE!
  16. And still I see people wearing FullTilt gear. I was close to slapping the "Crazy Fool" :mad:
  17. I'm so glad I quit that site years before this happened. It was pretty obvious that the whole thing was a fucking scam.I remember telling people "FT is a huge ponzi scheme. You have to wait 1 month for YOUR money?"Basically they would just come back at me, like some of you do here, and pull out the tin foil hat line.If I had tens of thousands of dollars on that site, I would definitely find the "pros" and have a talk.

    Oh and I'm tired of all you shills raving about pokerstars.We have no idea what people are capable of half way across the world. You guys love pokerstars, because it is the best of the worst. Grow up, and learn a thing or two.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I quit only after posting 60k in losses. You have no idea the level of frustration I have for Full Tilt taking most of my 105k Sunday Warm-Up score and running my poker career.

    I'm so glad I quit that site years before this happened. It was pretty obvious that the whole thing was a fucking scam.I remember telling people "FT is a huge ponzi scheme. You have to wait 1 month for YOUR money?"Basically they would just come back at me, like some of you do here, and pull out the tin foil hat line.If I had tens of thousands of dollars on that site, I would definitely find the "pros" and have a talk.

    Oh and I'm tired of all you shills raving about pokerstars.We have no idea what people are capable of half way across the world. You guys love pokerstars, because it is the best of the worst. Grow up, and learn a thing or two.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I quit only after posting 60k in losses. I ran 10-40% on every other site for years. You have no idea the level of frustration I have for Full Tilt taking most of my 105k Sunday Warm-Up score and ruining my poker career.
     
  18. Those of you saying, "Oh, that makes pokerstars so much better!!", I ask you what makes you think that these other pokersites like Pokerstars (which was also indicted on black friday) arent just as corrupt, their just not dumb enough to get caught like Lederer ( Never liked the guy). ...Maybe I'm wrong and Full Tilt is the ONLY site that succumbs to the darkside of greed and temptation...
  19. I'm so glad I quit that site years before this happened. It was pretty obvious that the whole thing was a fucking scam.I remember telling people "FT is a huge ponzi scheme. You have to wait 1 month for YOUR money?"Basically they would just come back at me, like some of you do here, and pull out the tin foil hat line.If I had tens of thousands of dollars on that site, I would definitely find the "pros" and have a talk.

    Oh and I'm tired of all you shills raving about pokerstars.We have no idea what people are capable of half way across the world. You guys love pokerstars, because it is the best of the worst. Grow up, and learn a thing or two.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I quit FTP only after posting 60k in losses. I ran 10-40% on every other site for years. You have no idea the level of frustration I have for Full Tilt taking most of my 105k Sunday Warm-Up score and ruining my budding poker career. Now I'm just a run of the mill stiff.
     
  20. Jesus better cut that hair before he goes to jail or else they gonna put lipstick on him and call him christina.
 
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