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HR 5767 Defeated in Committee[ return to main articles page ]
On Wednesday, the House Financial Services Committee, chaired by Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA), defeated legislation that would revamp the regulations of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. HR 5767 was brought to the Committee by Frank. Two votes were taken. The first was on an amendment by Congressman Peter King (R-NY) that would have called for the U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve to work hand in hand with the Department of Justice to ascertain what identify what kinds of online gambling are legal and what kinds are not. It was defeated after a 32-32 roll call vote, with many of the calls for defeat coming from Republican members of the Committee. HR 5767 was then voted on without the amendment and was defeated by an oral vote, with the Nays outnumbering the Yays by a sizeable margin.
The discussion within the House Financial Services Committee surrounded comments by Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL), who is the ranking Republican on the Committee. He opened the hearing and commented, “A national study several years ago said that problem gambling doubles within 10 miles of a gambling facility. The closer you get to a casino, the more problem gamblers you have. The internet puts that facility right in the middle of the home, in dorm rooms, and in the bedrooms of teenagers or college students.” Bachus claimed there is overwhelming support for banning internet gambling across the country, though organizations like the Poker Players Alliance have cried that the majority of Americans favor legalization and regulation.
Bachus expounds upon who is supporting the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act’s regulations: “We had 49 Attorney Generals write us and they urged us to pass the legislation in 2006. They now have said to speed up these regulations. Why did the American Psychological Association appear before us and asking us to pass the legislation we passed back in 2006? 47 state universities have sent letters to this committee urging us to keep this ban. It’s the effect on our youth. That’s what it’s all about: our youth. It’s about those studies that say that the younger one begins to gamble, the worse the problem is.” He spoke to the proponents of internet gambling in the audience and claimed, “You represent a criminal enterprise. I will tell you that the internet sites which are attempting to reverse this ban are criminal enterprises.”
King then spoke on the specifics of his proposed amendment, which focuses on providing the financial services industry with a considerable amount of direction: “The banking industry is enforcing and defining what the law is. My amendment withdraws the existing regulations and calls for the Treasury and Federal Reserve to work together with the Department of Justice to determine proper regulations. I am calling to have the current regulations rescinded. The amendment requires the Treasury to compile and maintain a list of unlawful internet gambling businesses. This isn’t about whether or not you believe in internet gambling; this is about imposing unenforceable regulations on the banking industry.” Supporters of King’s amendment included the Chamber of Commerce of the United States, the Financial Services Roundtable, and the National Association of Credit Unions.
Paul then spoke about his concerns with the UIGEA, which are themselves different from other members’ concerns: “I agree with everything about the dangers of gambling, but the issue to me is how we regulate moral behavior. The internet happens to be very important. It’s important to everybody. When you regulate the internet, you open up the door for all kinds of regulations. I believe individuals have a right to spend their money the way that they want to. Some people spend their money unwisely. If you can regulate how people spend money on the internet, it opens a can of worms because everyone is going to have a different item they want to regulate. There are special interests involved. People who like casinos don’t like internet gambling. The real issue is what the role of government ought to be.”
Congressman Mel Watt (D-NC) claimed that the discussion of whether Committee members were in favor of internet gambling was irrelevant: “It is unfair to banks to place this responsibility on them to decide what’s legal and illegal without very clear rules and regulations and that’s exactly what Mr. King’s amendment is proposing. I think my position on whether people ought to be allowed to gamble or not is not the underlying issue. My position abut whether people ought to supervise their children better is not the issue.”
Bachus had one of the final comments prior to adjournment before the vote and responded to Congressman Paul’s claim that the government should not get into the business of regulating the internet: “All 50 states have said we don’t want to have this go on; it’s illegal. The states have said, ‘Don’t operate illegal gambling sites through the internet.’ We already regulate the internet. It’s illegal to send child pornography over the internet today. We regulate that. We have determined that we are going to try to stop child pornography and illegal gambling over the internet. We don’t want those in our young people’s bedrooms and in their dorm rooms. We don’t want that addiction at an early age.”
The Committee adjourned, returning at 4:00pm ET for a vote. King’s amendment was defeated by a 32-32 margin. HR 5767, without the additional amendment, was voted on and defeated by a verbal call for votes. Poker Players Alliance Executive Director John Pappas will appear on the PocketFives.com Podcast this week to explain the organization’s next move.
The discussion within the House Financial Services Committee surrounded comments by Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL), who is the ranking Republican on the Committee. He opened the hearing and commented, “A national study several years ago said that problem gambling doubles within 10 miles of a gambling facility. The closer you get to a casino, the more problem gamblers you have. The internet puts that facility right in the middle of the home, in dorm rooms, and in the bedrooms of teenagers or college students.” Bachus claimed there is overwhelming support for banning internet gambling across the country, though organizations like the Poker Players Alliance have cried that the majority of Americans favor legalization and regulation.
Bachus expounds upon who is supporting the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act’s regulations: “We had 49 Attorney Generals write us and they urged us to pass the legislation in 2006. They now have said to speed up these regulations. Why did the American Psychological Association appear before us and asking us to pass the legislation we passed back in 2006? 47 state universities have sent letters to this committee urging us to keep this ban. It’s the effect on our youth. That’s what it’s all about: our youth. It’s about those studies that say that the younger one begins to gamble, the worse the problem is.” He spoke to the proponents of internet gambling in the audience and claimed, “You represent a criminal enterprise. I will tell you that the internet sites which are attempting to reverse this ban are criminal enterprises.”
King then spoke on the specifics of his proposed amendment, which focuses on providing the financial services industry with a considerable amount of direction: “The banking industry is enforcing and defining what the law is. My amendment withdraws the existing regulations and calls for the Treasury and Federal Reserve to work together with the Department of Justice to determine proper regulations. I am calling to have the current regulations rescinded. The amendment requires the Treasury to compile and maintain a list of unlawful internet gambling businesses. This isn’t about whether or not you believe in internet gambling; this is about imposing unenforceable regulations on the banking industry.” Supporters of King’s amendment included the Chamber of Commerce of the United States, the Financial Services Roundtable, and the National Association of Credit Unions.
Paul then spoke about his concerns with the UIGEA, which are themselves different from other members’ concerns: “I agree with everything about the dangers of gambling, but the issue to me is how we regulate moral behavior. The internet happens to be very important. It’s important to everybody. When you regulate the internet, you open up the door for all kinds of regulations. I believe individuals have a right to spend their money the way that they want to. Some people spend their money unwisely. If you can regulate how people spend money on the internet, it opens a can of worms because everyone is going to have a different item they want to regulate. There are special interests involved. People who like casinos don’t like internet gambling. The real issue is what the role of government ought to be.”
Congressman Mel Watt (D-NC) claimed that the discussion of whether Committee members were in favor of internet gambling was irrelevant: “It is unfair to banks to place this responsibility on them to decide what’s legal and illegal without very clear rules and regulations and that’s exactly what Mr. King’s amendment is proposing. I think my position on whether people ought to be allowed to gamble or not is not the underlying issue. My position abut whether people ought to supervise their children better is not the issue.”
Bachus had one of the final comments prior to adjournment before the vote and responded to Congressman Paul’s claim that the government should not get into the business of regulating the internet: “All 50 states have said we don’t want to have this go on; it’s illegal. The states have said, ‘Don’t operate illegal gambling sites through the internet.’ We already regulate the internet. It’s illegal to send child pornography over the internet today. We regulate that. We have determined that we are going to try to stop child pornography and illegal gambling over the internet. We don’t want those in our young people’s bedrooms and in their dorm rooms. We don’t want that addiction at an early age.”
The Committee adjourned, returning at 4:00pm ET for a vote. King’s amendment was defeated by a 32-32 margin. HR 5767, without the additional amendment, was voted on and defeated by a verbal call for votes. Poker Players Alliance Executive Director John Pappas will appear on the PocketFives.com Podcast this week to explain the organization’s next move.
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<p>"We dont want those in our young peoples bedrooms and in their dorm rooms. We dont want that addiction at an early age.</p>
<p>Do they understand that we aren't children?</p>
<p>They'll ship any 18 year old over to Iraq - but 18 year olds at college cannot be exposed to the internet....or they will be ruined forever - our country is such a joke on so many levels.</p>
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<p>anyone know how when can find out how to email/regular mail our congressmen about this? this is rediculous. Like EddieO said, we can send an 18 year old to Iraq but he can't play poker? Come on.</p>
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<p>While I agree with Sabatosh, and EddieO on the concept that we are old enough to make our own decision. I must say, stop with the lame "we can send an 18 year old over to Iraq....." I'm in the Army (10 years) with 3 tours in Iraq, and me just like them VOLUNTEERED TO GO. It was our and nobody else's decision to go. Thank you</p>
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<p> The Constitution and our federal government were both intended to provide protection to those who were not reasonably able to protect themselves. No law should infringe upon any individual's liberties unless in the course of exercising those liberties the rights and freedoms of others are affected. child pornography is prohibited not because it is morally wrong to partake, even though most would agree that it is, but because the production of such materials infringe on the rights of the children subjected to the abuses. It has been legislated that those over the age of 18 are able to give that consent, therefore regardless of moral issues the production of 18+ content is legal. </p>
<p> The point is that gambling by any persons under the age of 18 is not permitted anywhere inside the US. With that said I pose this... whether poker is gambling or a skill game, the government has no right or foundation to deny any citizen the liberty to do so at their discretion. The act of online poker does not infringe on any right or liberties guaranteed to our citizens by our constitution and therefore should not be denied. </p>
<p> The problem is not our government or our constitution, it lies within those men and women holding office having decided that they can regulate the moral decisions of others based on the beliefs held by what they claim to be the majority. This concept is not new you will find it well documented in the history books. However translated it is either socialism or communism and not democracy. Our government exists to protect the individuals that make up our great land. A government by the people, for the people, of the people... a democratic nation that is sworn in writing to protect the inalienable rights of the citizens it is composed of. It is not responsible for the regulation of morals, that argument is clearly defined by the separation of church and state. So please, as patriots, offer me your thoughts and ideas for action. </p>
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<p>Nice for that a-hole to group child pornography with internet "gambling", real great point of reference for level of criminality.</p>
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<p>@Jlivey:</p>
<p>Yes, you volunteered to go, and the government had no problem at all in letting YOU make the decision whether or not you wanted to put your life at risk for your country.</p>
<p>And yet they claim that we you unable to control yourself in matters of how you spend your own money, and that the government must protect you from yourself.</p>
<p>And that is the inherent hypocrisy with our government. We the people are able, and intelligent when it serves them, but helpless and reckless when it does not.</p>
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<p>oh and one more point, an action that is made illegal by a law that is unconstitutional is not a crime. For example, after the repealing of the prohibition laws those found guilty were no longer considered criminals. There is a term for this but I cannot remember it, anyone who knows of the law please post the legal terminology.</p>
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<p>None are so blind as those who will not see.</p>
<p>To all the Nazi Morals Police: You ain't gonna stop squat no matter what you do, no matter how much you spend, no matter how long you keep fighting the will of the American people to be free to spend their money on what they want to spend it on.....</p>
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<p>IceVenom.. actually they do have a proper argument regarding underage people gambling. </p>
<p>Im willing to bet that are a lot of under 18 people who are members of P5's that play online poker.</p>
<p>Just because the gambling sites TOS say 18 or 21 isnt going to stop a 15 or 16 year old from playing online.</p>
<p>Just saying. </p>
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<p>Does anyone know where we can get a list of the 32 congressman voting against the resolution? If my congressman voted against it, I'm going to write him a letter detailing exactly why he won't be receiving my vote in November.</p>
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<p>^^^^ i agree </p>
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<p>In re: to Jlivey comment.</p>
<p>I thank you, for you service to protecting our freedoms. That's what this country is suppose to be about, maybe we should deploy you here to protect us from the B.S. our lawmakers are handing us. I understand the concerns that some people will make poor judgements when it comes to gambling, but that's life. Just as people gamble with smoking and drinking, but yet Government won't shut those entities down. Cancer, Drunk driving both major killing factors here in the U.S. but there's nothing being done about that, hmm makes you wonder. Government picks and chooses what it wants to control. People like us who can make a great living playing poker online, make people in Government uneasy. It must suck to see an online poker pro making more money than them in a single sunday tourney than what they make in a year. If Government wants to protect me from me, I must say to them, please stop. Let me make my own mistakes. We have bigger issues in life than online gambling. Good luck at the tables all. </p>
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<p>I mean it sounds like their whole argument is "we won't let adults gamble because it might affect the children." Give me a break. How about we don't allow adults to drink alcohol or smoke or anything else that might influence children. </p>
<p>Trust me, I'm all about protecting kids, but I don't think adults should lose their freedom over it. This is so retarded.</p>
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<p>Hmmm... I can jump in my car and drive a half hour to an "Indian" casino. I can go to Nevada to a casino, or even (not that I care to) a legal whorehouse. But in the privacy of my own home, I cannot play poker? I'm not a child and my offspring are no longer children. My money is all legally earned and fully taxed... I can (and do) buy alcohol, tobacco, and firearms legally. I can buy dangerous drugs, prescribed by a doctor, legally. But I cannot participate in a voluntary, non-violent recreation of my own choosing and within the privacy of my own home because someone else might have an addictive personality and foul up his own life? </p>
<p>I'm fed up with "for the children". I was a child once myself, for about as many years as any other human being (although, apparently, congresscritters tend to remain children throughout their lives), and now I'm about as grown up as any other adult. Let me live my own life, free from the interference of those who mistakenly believe it is their duty and obligation to be my mommy and keep me out of trouble.</p>
<p>"Land of the free" my hairy ass!</p>
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<p>according the youtube clip, which i am assuming was correct it said the vote was 32-32, which still defeats the bill, but it wasnt 35-32</p>
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<p>I just watched some of the proceedings with various people. These people speaking out against this bill either don't have a clue or live some very sheltered lives or both.</p>
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