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Keeping Your Poker Bankroll in Action[ return to main articles page ]

By: grapsfan
Published on Sep 18th, 2009
Until the UIGEA is overturned or other legislation is passed, depositing money online will likely be somewhat complicated, at least in comparison to the glory days when Neteller and other e-wallets were readily available to U.S. players. More players than ever think of their bankroll as something to be protected at all cost. In the face of governmental realities, it isn’t easy to argue they’re “wrong,” but let’s consider another approach to money.

Your bankroll does two things: it gets you in the game in the short-term, and provides a comfort zone to play in future games, if your short-term doesn’t work out. This phenomenon is not unique to poker; all investments with some amount of risk can be considered in two time frames. A smart investor thinks about what they want from their money, finding the balance between risk and reward matching their needs and personality. Some people are willing to put a significant percentage of their worth in one stock if they feel it’s a good opportunity. Others are willing to take less profit if it means avoiding risk.

If you’re a successful player, you have an expectation of profit on each dollar you put into play…to be honest, this is the definition of the term “successful player.” As such, you should want to be putting your money on the table, at the highest as you can beat, with as much volume as you can play with your A-game. Money sitting at the bottom of your bankroll, never to be touched by the worst of downswings, isn’t earning you anything.

You can, and many people do, take this to extremes. Michael Craig’s book “The Professor, the Banker, and the Suicide King” opens with a story of Ted Forrest taking his entire $500k bankroll and sitting down in a $10k/20k limit Hold’em game with Chip Reese and Andy Beal. This was, by no means, the first time Forrest played with everything he had on the table, an experience shared by many professional players…and amateurs as well.

The history of the PocketFives message boards is littered with dozens of players’ stories of playing a tournament or cash game for most or all of their bankroll. There are the occasional “zero to $5k hero” testimonials, but most of the time, flirting with going broke leads to exactly that: a busto bankroll. In each case, every player in these stories has one thing in common – they lived to tell the tale. Nothing terrible happened to themselves or their families. Nobody went to jail or had a leg broken. Many of them, in fact, are back at the table, with a bankroll partially or fully rebuilt.

So, should you go ahead and take the biggest shot you can find? Absolutely not…don’t be absurd. Even if you don’t mind being broke, there’s no reason why you should be at zero. If the goal is to keep the “right” amount of funds in play at the tables, this is impossible to do if you don’t have any money.

How do we balance between bankroll “investment” and “insurance?” Good record keeping is crucial for you to track trends and expectations. Know your tournament ROI, or BB/100 win rate in cash games. Find your stretches with the biggest downswings for your typical game. If you want to be an “insurance first” player, take this downswing number and double it…and make this your starting “maximum buy-in” amount for your bankroll.

For example, let’s say I have a $4,000 bankroll and I play high-variance, large-field MTTs on the biggest sites, such as PokerStars or Full Tilt Poker. Over time, and a big enough sample size, I’ve seen a couple swings where I can lose 80 to 90 buy-ins before hitting some scores and recouping my losses. I double this number, to determine I should have between 160-180 buy-ins of my average tournament. Tournaments like the $24+2 events on Full Tilt are a perfect target for me. My range will include other tournaments, like $10+1 tournaments and $3 rebuys, and even up to the $50 nightly showcase events, as long as my average buy-in is around $25.

If you play on sites with smaller MTT fields, like Cake Poker or UltimateBet, your biggest downswing will likely be smaller. The same holds true if you play multi-table SNGs, like the 45-mans on FTP or the 180-mans on Stars. Fewer entrants mean less variance.

If you are primarily a cash game player, tracking your results is similar, only you’re tracking in terms of bets won and lost. If you’re worst downswing is 25 buy-ins over 25,000 hands in your NLHE or PLO game, then you should go with a 50 buy-in limit. I am far less of a cash game player than tournaments, and I welcome someone’s input with a good grasp on what a reasonable sample size is in terms of hand volume…but the analysis technique holds true.

Doubling your worst downswing leaves you plenty of insurance money in your bankroll. 50% of the money you have will likely never see the light of day. If you wish to be more aggressive in your investment, you might explore a couple of options.

You can pick a different downswing multiplier. Instead of doubling your worst downswing to determine your average buy-in number, you can multiply it times 25% or 50%. If I am very willing to gamble and rebuild if necessary, I may only multiply my 80-downswing number by 1.25, and come up with a 100 buy-in limit. With the previously stated $4,000 bankroll, my average buy-in is now $40. I may play the same overall set of tournaments, but take more shots in the Fifty-Fifty, $10 rebuys, etc.

Another thing you can do with your “insurance” money is to stake other players with it. Take half your 50% surplus and put it in action on a stakehorse. In the right circumstance, staking can be fun, exciting and profitable.

At the end of the day, it’s all about determining what’s right for you. Are you investing your bankroll to make the most of it? Or are you using it to insure you’ll always have a game to play?

grapsfan

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Comments

  1. <p>This article intrestes me, as banroll building has been how i have started on PKR</p>
    <p>I started with nothing , came 3rd in a freeroll and won 45c, and built up to a reasonable $20 in a month have 70 Games. Playing 1 dollar sit and go's with 20 buyins feels safe.</p>
    <p>My point being that, with a bit of luck patience and good bankrolling, if you are a good player, you will earn money in the long run.</p>
  2. <p>Good article and I agree with David. And rule #1 about starting as a poker player is don't sit with money you don't feel comfortable with losing. Don't deposit money online or go play in a live MTT without knowing that you don't NEED that money for any other reason. </p>
    <p>Some players feel comfortable risking a lot of their 'roll since they have more to throw on. For the others that can start with only a few hundred bucks and that's a BIG investment for them, should play it safe and keep 100+ buy-ins in their bankroll. </p>
    <p>If you want to start with nothing and build a bankroll, IT IS POSSIBLE but unrealistic for many. </p>
    <p>For the money I have made, I usually put money on and take money off Full Tilt on a regular basis before I started the concept of bankroll building. Now I have a $2.1K bankroll and A LOT invested on the side. </p>
    <p>I feel more than comfortable playing in the 24+2 and 3 rebuy taking a risk with some 50's and Mini-FTOPS events, while still playing MY POKER, and not playing with scared money.</p>
    <p>For anyone looking to keep money in a "safe" (relatively) place, look to invest your bankroll in a mutual fund and let it earn money for doing nothing but sitting there. If you ever go broke, pull the PROFIT from the mutual fund and start all over again. </p>
    <p>For example, you start with a $200 roll and somehow run it up to $10K. Take out $8K, invest in a mutual fund, and keep the $2K as your roll. If and when your $2K goes bust (and it would take a long time playing bankroll management properly), you would probably have made $1K or $2K in the mutual fund in that time. Pull the money back and you feel like you did the smart thing and you didn't "lose" anything really. You're just starting from scratch again and not in the hole.</p>
  3. <p>I like the mutual fund idea, but the stock market SUX right now... Idea is good, but I'd try to avoid anything stock related at least for a year or so.</p>
  4. <p>Biggboss -- I would agree if you are looking to invest currently. If you already have invested, then it's still working out okay, not great, but surviving. If you are looking to invest currently, you may be better off just playing with the money, ha.</p>
  5. <p>Great article Graps as usual. Anyway, the stock market is the place to be. I have made over 80 k (past 2 months)in my retirement that I have allocated myself. I recommend that you go learn to be addicted to your money and where it goes(be paronoid if need be)to follow your money, to where it goes, and to adjust, and adjust, realllocate if need be on a monthly basis. Go to morningstar mutual fund rating site, to follow the top funds and invest and invest on a continual monthly basis with a variety of funds to stay diversified to avoid stockmarket swings.peace.jim</p>
  6. <p>sgildea25 says a good thing about "rule #1 about starting as a poker player is don't sit with money you don't feel comfortable with losing". This should extend to tournaments, and I keep telling my brother not to play those huge fields of 3-11$ tournaments, cause its ok to lose $100 once in a while, though that might hurt, but to lose the FT-bubble in one of those, thats like losing $1-2k in a single hand, most people just cant handle that when they are playing for fun, or just started their "career".</p>
    <p>The other thing about never putting your entire roll in, I will have to disagree with you. At times there is just too much to earn, "dont pass up a good thing", so you just have to take the shot, and if you bust, get back from scratch. But you also have to realise that when you put your $10k, or $50k, or whatever roll online, the downswing is much bigger than that, in reality it's something like the double, or more, since it takes you xx(x) days of profit to "get back to start", so u need a huge edge to take that shot.</p>
     
 

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