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By: Dan Katz
Published on Jan 24th, 2012
Remember when you were in grade school and a couple times a year, the teacher let you play games for an entire class period? Wouldn’t it be grand if that happened at an institute of higher learning? This month, CardRunners instructor Will TheDreamer Ma is teaching a course on poker at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he is a second-year PhD student.

The course is part of MIT’s Independent Activities Period (IAP), a four-week term during which faculty and students can explore essentially whatever they would like. Many IAP courses are taken purely for enjoyment and not for credit; these can be attended by anyone in the MIT community like faculty, staff, students, and alumni. Only enrolled students may attend for-credit courses, such as Ma’s poker class.

The course assumes a basic understanding of poker like hand rankings, betting mechanics, and elementary pot odds, but other than that, it does not require students to have any sort of skill in the game. Ma will likely be teaching a mathematically adept audience a wide range of poker topics such as ICM theory, reverse implied odds, and faults of the Nash Equilibrium.

Interestingly, Ma (pictured) sees the biggest hurdle for his highly intelligent students as being the same one that plagues most casual poker players: results-oriented thinking. In an interview with CardRunners, Ma said, “I think people at MIT will have an overly strong sense of ‘learn from your mistakes.’ Unfortunately, this is a flawed mentality for poker because the results you observe do not necessarily tell you whether it was a mistake. I think I will have to try really hard to drill into people's heads that you cannot think something was a good play just because ‘it worked.’”

The course will be graded on a pass/fail basis. In order to pass, students must earn at least 10 points in a poker league, which is set up for play money on PokerStars. Those who do not earn 10 points can still pass by writing a paper. Beyond just passing the class, there is incentive to do well in the league. Top points earners can win CardRunners subscriptions, private coaching from Mike timex McDonald (pictured, who will be a guest lecturer), a signed DVD from former MIT Blackjack Team member Andy Bloch, a signed copy of double WSOP bracelet winner Bill Chen’s book, and virtual coaching from professional instructors.

Ma is a PocketFives member and is currently ranked 652nd in the PocketFives Rankings with over $1.7 in tracked online tournament winnings. In 2007, he won the Grand Prix de Paris for $574,068.

Also during MIT’s IAP, a course unrelated to Ma’s, one on creating poker bots, will being held. Consisting of a handful of lectures, it is actually a competition to see who can produce the most successful automated poker program. There are currently 50 teams of anywhere from one to four players furiously coding away and readying their bots for the February 1st final tournament.

A minimum of $30,000 in prize money will be there for the taking, put up by a number of sponsors including Jump Trading, a financial trading firm that develops algorithms to execute trades. Students can earn course credit by either defeating several “reference players” with their bots or writing a paper.

The idea of one of the top universities in the world actively encouraging and assisting with the building of poker bots is understandably a touchy subject in the poker community. The initial reaction has been negative and has included comments on TwoPlusTwo such as the following:

“And thus MIT will ruin online poker for everyone.”

“Wow – these guys will be able to make the most sophisticated bots. Poker is screwed.”

“Obv real bad for the games and poor timing for such a bad look too with the pending legislation.”

Michael Gentile, Editor of PokerFuse and writer of an article that initially brought these courses to the poker community’s attention, shared his thoughts, telling PocketFives, “It is encouraging to see poker receiving recognition and respect in academic circles; however, I would like to see MIT mitigate the risk to our industry that can be perpetuated by teaching botting skills.”

Gentile recommended, “Perhaps providing all code generated in the poker bot competition to an independent third party watchdog group that can use that information to combat the spread of unethical botting in online poker would be a solution. A bot detecting competition could yield interesting results as well.”

Poker pro Isaac Haxton (pictured) has attempted to alleviate people’s fears, writing on TwoPlusTwo about a poker class he took at Brown University: “At the beginning of the class, we were all talking about writing bots, but no one wrote anything even close to a full-scale bot. I was the only one who even tried and I failed spectacularly. Writing a program from scratch that handles basic poker decision-making in a reasonable way is months of full-time work. Writing one that interfaces with existing sites, HEM, TableRatings, etc. and can actually beat games bigger than micro-stakes is probably years of work for a team of people.

“This is not cause for concern.”

What do you think? Will classes on poker bots have any effect on the game or its future? Post your feedback here.

Comments

  1. lol pretty sure I'd rape any bot. And making a bot for MTT play would be infinitely harder than cash game anyway... I ain't scurred
     
  2. I 100% agree with you sir......bring on the bots
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  3. You guys are really naive if you think you will always be able to rape any bot. Bots will be able to adjust in real time and will not have emotion involved. There are already bots beating 5/10 nlhe cash games 100 bb deep and higher. If you think they couldn't be made to crush mtts, you are mistaken. Bots are a Very Serious threat to online poker. Don't take it lightly
    Edited By: MJCACE Jan 24th, 2012 at 11:16 PM
  4. Bots cannot beat MTT's imo. Bots will be illegal in a regulated environment. I'm sure our security will be top of the line. People that get caught using bots will be arrested. Why are we worried?
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  5.  
    Originally Posted by MJCACE View Post

    There are already bots beating 5/10 nlhe cash games 100 bb deep and higher. If you think they couldn't be made to crush mtts, you are mistaken.

    Source?
  6. I think this is something that companies providing on line poker should patrol against.... I guarantee it's easier to come up with a program to detect bots than it is to create an actual winning bot. Create an MTT bot??? GL with that.. too many constantly changing variables.
     
  7. Sounds like someone is going to put it to work when they get the right person to to make the best bot program. Kinda like the programming competition the movie Social Network had. Scams in the works
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    Originally Posted by chronkie View Post

    Source?

    1 thread just half million in profit of known bots on 1 network. Bots are a serious threat.

    another thread

    there are a few more, pretty sure its been proven that house bots already beat MTTs on Ipoker.

    You guys really don't think bots can beat donkaments? Open your eyes, When bots can crush mid stake 100bb deep 6 max ring games in the state of today's games, there is no doubt that they could be designed to beat MTTS. Bots can play 24 hour sessions, emotionless while adjusting to blind structures, stacks sizes, board textures and players ranges. Its only a matter of time especially if you are talking about MIT students working on them. You think if someone gets one profitable bot running, that they wont have 10 of them? 50 of them etc...This leads to millions and millions out of our pockets once they are properly set up. Don't turn a blind eye to this issue or sites will as well. If that happens, we will all feel the effect( more than we already do).
    Edited By: MJCACE Jan 25th, 2012 at 12:41 AM
  9.  
    Originally Posted by MJCACE View Post

    You guys are really naive if you think you will always be able to rape any bot. Bots will be able to adjust in real time and will not have emotion involved. There are already bots beating 5/10 nlhe cash games 100 bb deep and higher. If you think they couldn't be made to crush mtts, you are mistaken. Bots are a Very Serious threat to online poker. Don't take it lightly

    I would be really interested to see this proven, laughed pretty hard when i read this
  10.  
    Originally Posted by tedSTRETCH View Post

    I would be really interested to see this proven, laughed pretty hard when i read this

    See my post above yours. What part about my post made you laugh?
  11. lots of short sighted people complaining about bot competitions. Transparent research being done at the university level, by the type of people capable of building such a bot, can only serve give us more knowledge about the threat.
  12. i see this as a way to prove how good bots are or can be, sng's seem to be the easiest way to go for bots to do well, i have a hard time believing theyre crushing ring games ,if u do put claims on a bot beating the best of the best, can u guys wait till legislation passes than make this announcement, thanks
    Edited By: double_kyan Jan 25th, 2012 at 02:27 AM
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  13. The presence of bots seems like a way to explain that poker is a game of skill as opposed to chance, however this situation can't possibly help legislation pass.
    Edited By: DawnSoap Jan 25th, 2012 at 04:26 AM
  14. Once the singularity hits and super computers are around,,, bots will dominate poker... technology is expanding exponentially and we aren't... i say u got 5 years b4 u rly gta start worrying haha
    Edited By: cocoa_butter111 Jan 25th, 2012 at 05:14 AM
     
  15. It prob is a good thing, I mite be looking for a silver lining but isn't it much better for a prestigious academia like MIT to have a competition of sorts on Bots, that then can be recognized or even turned over to the poker sites, so not only can they recognize these things but will be able to abolish said Bots? I would much rather have a very public "Bot War" than some knucklehead in a basement- and then maybe even the head of Washington would be satisfied that some of MIT's best have produced "Bots," that lets be honest, will not beat a mediocre player but we'll also have the added security of knowing the Poker Sites are in the know....
  16. the way some jokers call me down, they have to be bots, so i reckon they are here :-)and btw, there are some seriously smart kids out there and then there are some seriously wealthy degens who would pay them to do this - it is just programming right?
  17. do you they they would mind if I audited the course?
  18. To allow bots to continue to play on sites is simply not right. Doubt the sites will allow for a bot driven uprising, what is this the matrix... get the EMPs!
     
  19. IBM's 'Deep Blue' chess computer program beat world chess champion Gary Kasparov in a chess tourney in 1997. IBM's 'Watson' computer program beat all-time Jeopardy grand champions Ken Jennings and Brad Rutter in 2011 in a Jeopardy tournament. 30 percent of all stock daytrades on the NASDAQ exchange are now done totally by robots using complex decision making algorithms. All this proves robots CAN beat smart humans in various complex situations. Hopefully future regulated online poker sites can figure out foolproof ways to detect and ban poker robots. Poker robots are a serious threat to the future integrity of online poker.
  20. He's not a robot, he's just Albert Pujols.
 
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