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Reasons Behind Our Actions in Poker[ return to main articles page ]

By: John Reynolds    [See all articles by John Reynolds]
Published on Jul 29th, 2012
When making a bet, we need to ask ourselves two very important questions, the first being, "Am I betting for value or as a bluff?" Once we have the first answer, we must then ask ourselves one of two other questions: "If I am betting for value, what worse hands can I get to call?" and "If I am betting as a bluff, what better hands can I get to fold?"

Asking these questions greatly improves the reasons behind our actions. And if you ask me, the biggest difference between good players and great players is the reasons behind their actions. To be a solid thinking poker player, we must practice thinking; asking ourselves these questions is the first step.

Lots of our bets in poker seem very standard. We get an opening hand, so we open. Since we've opened, if no one raised, we generally c-bet most flops. Usually, whether we hit the flop or not, we do about the same thing. We are the aggressor, and the aggressive action will work a decent percentage of the time. But for the times we smack the flop or when we get board textures that we know smack a villain's range, we should ask these questions and come up with an appropriate plan of action.

Let me give a couple of examples. Let's say we have Td-Tc and the flop comes Th-6c-2s. Sometimes with these dry boards that should miss the villain's calling range often, we should check instead of c-bet. We are trying to let the villain catch up. We know that if we bet, we would be betting for value, but we also know by asking ourselves, "What worse hands can call" that it is hard for the villain to continue when we have most of the tens and there are not many sensible draws.

Check/calling this flop with a plan to either make a delayed c-bet on the turn or possibly check once more and bet the river will allow your opponent room to catch up or bluff. When holding top set on a dry board, allowing the villain to catch up or bluff may be the only way to extract value.

Here is another example. Let's say we have As-Kh, we open, and one player flats. The flop comes 9h-Ts-Js. Here, we have a wet connected board that will hit a flatter's range often. I think in this situation with two overs, a gutshot straight draw, and a backdoor runner-runner flush draw, if we bet and get raised, we will be in an awkward spot trying to decide if we have enough equity to continue.

I think some players will c-bet here even with this board texture expecting the c-bet to work often enough to be profitable, but it will be stack and villain dependent. Sometimes in spots like this, I will check/call on the flop instead of making a standard c-bet.

My hand has value and I do not want to be forced to fold. I also don't want to have to make a decision for my whole stack with overs and draws. So, in order to avoid this tricky spot, we ask ourselves, "If I c-bet, which would be a bluff unless we were willing to stack off, what better hands will fold?"

On this type of board, I don't think many hands that connect with it will fold. Most flush and straight draws will be continuing and possibly trying to get stacks in on the flop. One option would be to check/call. If we check/call, we can get to the turn for about the same price as if we would have c-bet and we don't lose the value of our hand. This is what I mean by so much of poker can be standard, but when we are facing tough spots, we need to be able to think through the situation by asking ourselves the right questions to help us come up with an optimal decision.

Now, I would like to talk about a common mistake I see every day: when players bet the river when only hands that have them beat can call. I know we have all been in that spot and after we bet and the villain raises, we are like, "Doh." If we were to ask, "Am I betting for value or as a bluff," and then follow that with the either "If I am betting for value, what worse hands can I get to call" or "If I am betting as a bluff, what better hands can I get to fold" before we bet the river, we can determine if we need to bet.

Once we have determined if we are betting, we should have a plan. There is no reason to bet, get raised, and then be confused. Before making any bet, we should have a plan for all players left in the hand.

In this spot, facing one villain on the river, we should determine if we have showdown value. If we have showdown value, but don't want to call a raise, we should check/call. If we have no showdown value, we need to decide if we should bluff or not. When deciding whether to bluff, we simply ask ourselves if any better hands will fold and then make our decision. There will be some times when just check/folding is the best option, but whatever we decide, we should have reasons behind our actions.

To expand on having a plan, I would like to add a few points. If it is folded to us and we are deciding whether to open, we should look at these things. First, we look to see if any of the villains have a shove stack. If any of them do, we simply decide if we would call if they shoved over our open. If any of the villains has a large stack, we need to decide how we would react to a 3bet over our open.

Now, make sure when you make these plans, know they are not set in stone. We are more setting an outline for the events that we think could take place. If we are thrown a curveball, then we need to make sure to take the new information into consideration and adjust our plan accordingly.

For example, say we had a plan to call the shove stacks after opening because of their size, but we were going to fold to any 3bets by the bigger stacks. Then, we bet, a big stack flats, and then two short stacks shove. Obviously, a lot more happened than originally anticipated, so we take the new information into account and make an appropriate decision. It's not often we would continue to call the short stacks' shoves when two of them shoved and there is still a big stack with a decision left. Often in this spot, I think we will be finding a fold.

Poker is a game of skill and requires lots of thinking. The better we get at applying the right questions to the right situations, the better we will be playing. We should be asking ourselves these questions every time we bet until they become second nature. Let's all strive to be solid thinking players and see how far this game can take us.

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Comments

  1. Nice read Lord9BaLL as the points you have made are a big part of the game i am working on. I am constantly trying to ask myself these questions; And you have explain this very well imo. Good luck today at the tables.......................................
  2. def important to always think ahead and have a plan for all situations and always knowing what you are trying to accomplish with your own actions, good job crack, gl
     
  3. Thank you very much for the comments WillMcCoy and mattdb9er.
     
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  4. good read
  5. Good read. Your always stressing the importance of having a range assessed and a line in mind based on that range. From that point on its just a matter of doing your HW with equity calculations and such. Can't wait for the next article.
  6. Thank you ChameleonN89. Also thank you mstepner, appreciate the comments.
     
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  7. having a plan is def importante fo sho ,but on a flip situation i will see players pre-meditate a plan to bluff ,without taking into consideration that maybe that bet size or next street card isn't exactly the right bluff to be making,and also a lot of thinking players go by natural instinct on certain plays because of timing/bet tells that bring out the quick sniffer .plans are awesome in other words but there are times [imo] that instinct kicks in without time to plan
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    Originally Posted by John Reynolds

    In this spot, facing one villain on the river, we should determine if we have showdown value. If we have showdown value, but don't want to call a raise, we should check/call.

    This is not necessarily true. Pretty good article though.
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    Originally Posted by double_kyan View Post

    having a plan is def importante fo sho ,but on a flip situation i will see players pre-meditate a plan to bluff ,without taking into consideration that maybe that bet size or next street card isn't exactly the right bluff to be making,and also a lot of thinking players go by natural instinct on certain plays because of timing/bet tells that bring out the quick sniffer .plans are awesome in other words but there are times [imo] that instinct kicks in without time to plan

    Thanks for the comment. Yea I tried to stress that all spots are different and that a plan is more of an outline and to know to reevaluate in some situations like more action than expected or certain flops textures like you mentioned. Good point, thanks
     
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  10. If we have showdown value, but don't want to call a raise, we should check/call.

     
    Originally Posted by nuttedup View Post

    This is not necessarily true. Pretty good article though.

    Can you elaborate? I am guessing that you are talking about a thin value line. Is that correct?
     
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  11.  
    Originally Posted by cracker9ball View Post

    Can you elaborate? I am guessing that you are talking about a thin value line. Is that correct?


    Thin value line is certainly a part of it, but given the abstract scenario we don't have enough information to make a judgement of what is better EV(x,c) vs EV(b,f), where EV(x,c) is the expected value of check/call and EV(b,f) is the expected value of bet/fold. The only information we have is that we have a hand that has some showdown value and this is very vague. The answer is it really just depends on our opponent's 1) river range is and 2) his river strategy versus us. If our opponent is super aggro and may put us into some really tough spots with thin value bets, then yes I agree that x/c is probably a good line with the bottom end of our value range. However, if our opponent is on the passive side and he will check behind a lot with hands that would have called a bet, then we may be better off placing a bet if we have good equity versus his river range.

    My comment was really just based on your generality of the situation, where we didn't have a lot of concrete information.
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    Originally Posted by nuttedup View Post

    Thin value line is certainly a part of it, but given the abstract scenario we don't have enough information to make a judgement of what is better EV(x,c) vs EV(b,f), where EV(x,c) is the expected value of check/call and EV(b,f) is the expected value of bet/fold. The only information we have is that we have a hand that has some showdown value and this is very vague. The answer is it really just depends on our opponent's 1) river range is and 2) his river strategy versus us. If our opponent is super aggro and may put us into some really tough spots with thin value bets, then yes I agree that x/c is probably a good line with the bottom end of our value range. However, if our opponent is on the passive side and he will check behind a lot with hands that would have called a bet, then we may be better off placing a bet if we have good equity versus his river range.

    My comment was really just based on your generality of the situation, where we didn't have a lot of concrete information.


    Thanks a lot for your comment. The statement I made was meant to be vague and to address the fact we need to be thinking about our actions. To think to much on that one line is straying from the point a little. I agree that several lines can be taken. I was merely pointing out to think about how you will react to the villains aggression before you act, and sometimes if you don't like the ending of any of the scenarios you think out you can check/call instead of bet/fold or bet/call. Thank you for the comment.
     
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  13. Thanks once again for another good article , that I enjoyed reading . This is a mistake that I see a lot of people still make pretty often , even seasoned veterans of the game . Its easy to get just button clicky and not think out all your actions . Thanks for the reminder , gonna read it again before my next session ! Thanks again and GL .
     
  14. There's also times where we bet for protection...
     
  15. There's also times where we bet cause we simply just cant help ourselves...
     
  16. I cant check, I c-bet too much..Got better chance checkin the garbage to rep..
  17. GREAT READ
  18. Thanks for all the comments everyone. Also I appreciate the kind words dlove57. Have a great week grinders.
     
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  19. good shit yo
     
  20. Thanks boardrider68
     
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