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SNG/MTT BR Management and Cashout Strategy

By: Jennifear
Published: Jun 3rd, 2010
I've been approached several times about how to manage a bankroll, and when to cash out. I'm going to address this question very heavily in this post.

You can keep up with edits and updates to this post here at this thread:

http://www.pocketfives.com/f7/sng-mu...-guide-378221/

The following guidelines will assure with a high confidence level that you never go broke if you are +ROI in the games you are playing, and you exercise good game selection.

Proper Bankroll Management Minimums:

$65 - $1.10 STTs
$87 - €1.10 STTs
$90 - $1.10 18-man
$128 - $1.10 45-man,
$130 - $2.20 STTs
$210 - $5.25 HU
$215 - $3.30 STTs
$270 - $6.25 HU
$357 - $5.50 STTs
$416 - $3.25 45-man
$420 - $10.50 HU
$422 - $6.50 STTs
$440 - $2.20 MTTs, $2.20 180-man
$495 - $3.30 90-man
$585 - $6.50 18-man
$596 - $5.50 27-man
$715 - $11 STTs
$780 - $12 STTs
$820 - $21 HU
$832 - $6.50 45-man
$880 - $4.40 MTT, $4.40 180-man
$975 - $6.50 90-man
$990 - $11 18-man
$1040 - $16 STTs
$1080 - $12 18-man
$1100 - $5.50 MTTs
$1300 - $6.50 MTTs, $12 27-man, $20 STTs
$1430 - $22 STTs
$1440 - $16 18-man
$1530 - $12 45-man
$1560 - $24 STTs
$1650 - $11 90-man
$1755 - $27 STTs
$1760 - $8.80 MTTs
$1950 - $13 90-man
$1980 - $22 18-man
$2100 - $52.50 HU
$2145 - $33 STTs
$2160 - $24 18-man
$2340 - $36 SNGs
$2400 - $11 MTTs
$2430 - $27 18-man
$2470 - $38 STTs
$2600 - $12 MTTs, $12 180-man
$2970 - $33 18-man
$3300 - $16.50 MTTs
$3320 - $26 45-man
$3420 - $38 18-man
$3450 - $27 45-man
$3570 - $55 STTs
$3900 - $60 STTs, $26 90-man
$4200 - $22 MTTs, $22 180-man
$4250 - $105 HU
$4860 - $38 45-man
$4875 - $75 STTs
$4950 - $55 18-man
$5400 - $60 18-man, $27 MTTs
$6600 - $33 MTTs
$7200 - $36 180-man
$7660 - $60 45-man
$7800 - $39 MTTs, $52 90-man
$8250 - $55 90-man
$8500 - $210 HU
$11000 - $55 MTTs
$12000 - $60 MTTs
$15000 - $75 MTTs
$20800 - $109 MTTs
$43000 - $215 MTTs
$106000-$530 MTTs

Clarifications:

- For Double or Nothing SNGs, use the HU guidelines. At the higher levels, you will likely need more than 40 buyins due to diminishing ROI potential in these games.
- For MTTs with less than 150 players, use the 90-man guidelines.
- If your favorite game is not found on here, simply multiply the buyin by 40 for HU, 50 for FTP's Matrix SNGs, 65 for STTs, 90 for 18-20 man, 108 for 27-man, 128 for 45-man, 150 for 90-man, or 200 for 180-man or MTTs and add it to the list!
- For satellites, to determine how many buyins you need, use the formula (2000/x), where x is the % of the field that gets paid. For example, if a satellite tournament pays 20% of the field, then (2000/20) = 100, so you need 100 buyins.
- I will be crossposting this on my blog here so if you ever want to reference this, that's the easiest place to find it!
- These buyin recommendations are very conservative and are intended to ensure that you make consistant money while your risk of ruin is extremely minimal. It is made for professional players who cannot afford to replenish their bankroll. Recreational players may feel free to cut these recommendations in half.
- Satellites for must-play tournaments should only be played if you have enough in your bankroll for the target tournament, and you have an edge in that target event. There is an exception to this rule, below.
- I didn't include any game with higher than a 10% rake, because I feel that those games are ripoffs.
- If you are feeling good, don't play too far away from your highest allowable game. For instance, if your bankroll allows you to play $22 SNGs and you are playing $11 SNGs, you are not allowing yourself to make enough money.
- If things have been rough lately, or you have lost confidence, there's no need to play at your highest allowable level. Get back that winning feeling by dropping down, and scoring some wins. You'll still be working towards moving up.

Cashout strategy:

Pay yourself according to volume, not results.

Remove the following from your bankroll every time you play these games:

HU: 2% of your buyin
STTs: 3% of your buyin
18-man: 4% of your buyin
45-man: 5% of your buyin
90-man: 6% of your buyin
180-man/MTT: 8% of your buyin
Also remove all Rakeback/Bonuses earned

When your total cashouts reach the site's minimum cashout requirements, then cash out as soon as you can.

Clarifications:

- If you are a high buyin player, you may be playing a SNG where you are only expected to attain a very small ROI. In that case, divide your expected long-term ROI by 2 and cash out that much per game. For instance, if you are a $320 STT player who expects to make 2% ROI, cash out 1% ($3.30) per game played. That sounds small, but most of your income is coming from rakeback/bonuses anyway.
- For hyper/superturbo SNGs, only remove 1.5% per game.

Taking shots (optional):

Then allow yourself 1/4 of your cashout money for entertainment. Your shot can be your entertainment. For instance, if you are a $5 player who would like to take a shot at a $50 game, then save up $200 in cashouts, and then withdraw $150. use the other $50 for your game. Obviously this is not optimal, but some people will explode their bankrolls at some point if they never get a chance to chase their dreams!

Just one rule:

- If you take a shot and win, cash out at least 75% of your winnings RIGHT AWAY. Don't try to use the shot to pad your bankroll. The bankroll management plan is already designed to keep you where you are going to make the most money per hour.

When used together, over time, the Bankroll Management and Cashout Strategy will:

- Keep you playing at or near your optimal level. You won't have to decide what games to play. The system will do it for you.
- Ensure that you are beating the games at a high enough ROI to continue to play them. For instance if you maintain a 3% ROI at the $27 18-mans, although you are winning, you will be cashing out too much money (4%) to stay at that level, and the system will drop you back to the $16 level, where you will make more money per game.
- Keep you from facing high % fluctuations in your bankroll so your mindset is good.
- Have you making frequent cashouts no matter what your results are. This stops the endless cycle that some people have of moving up and moving down, but never cashing out!
- Allow you to plan. Your income will be easily predicatable. For instance, if you are going to play 100 $27 18-mans today, you know you will cash out exactly $108, no matter how you do.
- Encourage you to increase your volume.
- Give you the opportunity to take an occasional shot at a bigger event and chase your dreams.

I really hope this helps someone.

Jen

*edit - Please give your feedback. If you have any suggestions on how I can make this better, please let me know. My goal is to edit this to perfection, and update this to include whatever new popular games may come up.

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Recent Updates:

4/6/10, added €1.10 STTs to this list because very few sites have $1.10 games available. Kudos to Pokerstars for offering a micro stakes SNG without a humongous rake.

4/7/10, changed Double or Nothing recommendations to reflect diminishing possible ROIs at the highest levels.

    Comments

    1. i have a question reffering the cashout strategy for MTTs with 1000+ participants. Let's say we beat the games with a 50-70% ROI, are we still cashing out just 8%. I mean it's a little strange because i think a SNG MTT reg is able to cash out much more than a scheduled MTT reg because he will play much more volume. What about cashing out half the percentage of my ROI for every MTT i play. What's wrong about this idea? Thanks.
       
    2.  
      Originally Posted by Klemi

      i have a question reffering the cashout strategy for MTTs with 1000+ participants. Let's say we beat the games with a 50-70% ROI, are we still cashing out just 8%. I mean it's a little strange because i think a SNG MTT reg is able to cash out much more than a scheduled MTT reg because he will play much more volume. What about cashing out half the percentage of my ROI for every MTT i play. What's wrong about this idea? Thanks.

      If you are running 50-70% ROI in the MTTs you are playing, then I do recommend cashing out 8%. The reason is that you are likely playing too low and want to move up to the next level as soon as you are able. Don't worry, the end result is you moving up a level, having a fatter bankroll that allows you to play higher, and cash out 8% of a larger number overall.
    3. Dear Jennifer!

      I read your item about bankroll management. You affirm that one should multiply buy-in by 40 for HU, by 65 for STT, by 90 for 18-20max,by 108 for 27max, by 128 for 45max, by 150 for 90max, 200 for 180max and more in order to calculate required bankroll. Why do you prefer 65, 108,128 but not 70 110 130? Why do you prefer that values at all? I guess you made some calculation to reveal this required amount of buy-in. Can you share it with us please. It's very interesting to understand reasons for such kind of bankroll management and that exact values. Thanks a lot!

      Best regards,

      Evgeniy "DyPeMaP" Makarenkov, www.pokermoscow.ru
    4. Hi Helldoesit!

      I used the formula (2000/x), where x is the % of the field that gets paid. For example, if a satellite tournament pays 20% of the field, then (2000/20) = 100, so you need 100 buyins. A 45-man generally pays 7 spots, or 15.55% of the field. 2000/15.55 = 128.
    5. Dear Jennifer, I love BR rules and I have been waithing for something like this for a long time.
      I just have a couple of Questions,
      in FT they don't have the $215 - $3.30 STTs
      and Also im not a big fan of the HU, what can you suggest ?
    6. Hi dpereiraf!

      Full Tilt often has satellites running to their major events, and you can take the T$. Right now, I see satellites for:

      $2.40+.25 to the $22 MiniFTOPS (winner-take-all!)
      $3+.30 to the Double Deuce ($22 for 1st, $5 for 2nd)
      $3.60+.30 to the MiniFTOPS ($11/$11/$11)

      These satellites are a great value for players at the $3 SNG level who can't find a good SNG game without more than 10% rake until they hit the $5 level.

      Hope that helps!
    7.  
      Originally Posted by Jennifear

      Hi dpereiraf!

      Full Tilt often has satellites running to their major events, and you can take the T$. Right now, I see satellites for:

      $2.40+.25 to the $22 MiniFTOPS (winner-take-all!)
      $3+.30 to the Double Deuce ($22 for 1st, $5 for 2nd)
      $3.60+.30 to the MiniFTOPS ($11/$11/$11)

      These satellites are a great value for players at the $3 SNG level who can't find a good SNG game without more than 10% rake until they hit the $5 level.

      Hope that helps!

      Sorry, not really, I dont have T $ and not sure if I understand, I was refering to your BR rules.
      I'mhave done this level :
      65 - $1.10 STTs Done
      $87 - 1.10 STTs Done
      $90 - $1.10 18-man Done in FT but not on Stars
      $128 - $1.10 45-man, Done In FT
      $130 - $2.20 STT Wroking on it: my Br:152

      my next targets are: Not a big fan of HU
      $210 - $5.25 HU
      $215 - $3.30 STTs Full tilt does not have any
      I'"s just the steps
    8. Should your bankroll determine what level you play at in all games? According to your guidelines, I'm able to play $12 stts, but I'm not sure if I'm good enough. I've made most of my money in the micro mtts and I feel like the $6 stts are hard to beat, I'm not sure if I have a positive ROI in them. I know for sure I wouldn't feel comfortable playing the $21HU games even though I can afford to.
    9. Great guidelines -- thanks! Wondering how you would calculate BR requirements for Rebuy Satellites.
     

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