Originally Posted by kevmode

Poker jammers you would back Jordan after this, if you didn't then u don't know how to gamble. I would def back jymaster11 because he is the nuts and he is better then you poker jammers. Your a jealous hater, I was not going to comment in this thread but jymaster11 is better then any donkey who posted and I would back him over you poker jammers. Jymaster11 def gets more girls then you poker jammers. Get your shit straight bro and get back to reality. You are not as great as Jymaster11 is. I know I wasn't going to get involved but MoormanI stop being butt hurt, shake hands let Jordan start off fresh and have a few beers so everything can get settled. I wasn't going to respond in this thread but when Pokerjammers is hating on Jymaster11 I have to step up to the plate and put this jealous hater in his place. You really think your somebody to come in this thread and hate on the best online poker player in the world dog?

Americans are the strongest players online by far so don't let your big English head get in the way of a sound decision.
Jordan Young if I ever build my roll enough to back you I would. All these idiot fish who say they wouldn't back you are clowns. Honestly I think your a baller dog even thought your not one of my favorite poker players (Iridium, Imahustla1) my favorite players in parenthesis.

btw ellipsis...when you use parentheses you don't have to say you just used parentheses; we can see them semicolon.

only hurting himself

This entire thread is some sort of P5s level that new posters aren't in on....right? ....... Right?

 

Originally Posted by kevmode

Poker jammers you would back Jordan after this, if you didn't then u don't know how to gamble. I would def back jymaster11 because he is the nuts and he is better then you poker jammers. Your a jealous hater, I was not going to comment in this thread but jymaster11 is better then any donkey who posted and I would back him over you poker jammers. Jymaster11 def gets more girls then you poker jammers. Get your shit straight bro and get back to reality. You are not as great as Jymaster11 is. I know I wasn't going to get involved but MoormanI stop being butt hurt, shake hands let Jordan start off fresh and have a few beers so everything can get settled. I wasn't going to respond in this thread but when Pokerjammers is hating on Jymaster11 I have to step up to the plate and put this jealous hater in his place. You really think your somebody to come in this thread and hate on the best online poker player in the world dog?

Americans are the strongest players online by far so don't let your big English head get in the way of a sound decision.
Jordan Young if I ever build my roll enough to back you I would. All these idiot fish who say they wouldn't back you are clowns. Honestly I think your a baller dog even thought your not one of my favorite poker players (Iridium, Imahustla1) my favorite players in parenthesis.

 

Originally Posted by SyphonSoul

hi kevmode. nice try

lol, those bronies shirts are sik btw, lmao ,wtf tht shits too much

I'm a dueche I know but I can't really find out how to have sympathy for
A) a person who will invest in another person and not even have their phone number
B) A person who will receive 80k and not pick up a phone when there is an issue

Also not sure how the backee thinks he can restart the backing relationship without any makeup. If he had just taken a 2 week vacation where there was no poker involved would he have makeup to go back too?

 

Originally Posted by rmull

oh man this made my year. im going to watch this every time im down about my tilt role.

 

Originally Posted by Wretchy

There is an absurd amount of information regarding this subject that people are just completely dismissing with very few even having any answers. There was a 4 month period in between when jymaster stopped playing online due to black friday. The fact that Jordan moved out of the country to play online and he assumed he wasn't playing for moorman. I know moving isn't exactly a cheap thing to do and if he knew he was going to be playing under chris who knows if he would have even moved? It's obviously his choice. But a few others already said it... Stupid situation but Jamie made a ruling and they agreed beforehand that they were going to go with what he said. This thread shouldn't even be here.. /delete and move on, learn a lesson from it

thats logic

My opinion means nothing, becaue i'm nobody and because its done, nothing is going to change now but I'm going to post it anyways.

They both handled the situation bad and brought nothing to the table as a negotiation. Jymaster should have offered to come back if the money he was out was knocked off his makeup. It would have been a fair and easy solution.

Backers, make a contract and a release form. By contract I mean a piece of paper that is signed by both parties scanned and emailed back. It should included the deal and contact information, along with what each person should have to do to break the contract (PPL get funny over money even "friends"). A release form just like any other job.

@Kevmode your right there are plenty of gamblers to throw money at him in hopes of getting paid, but a real investor wouldn't touch him after reading this. Does it matter to him which one he has, prob not.

How do Moorman's other horses understand and accept the circumstances of BF, but JyMaster thinks he gets a free pass on 80k of makeup?

He sold action to the Russians to play the WSOP and then finds a new deal for online post WSOP... don't you guys get that this is just stealing?

 

Originally Posted by ImaLuckSac

How do Moorman's other horses understand and accept the circumstances of BF, but JyMaster thinks he gets a free pass on 80k of makeup?

He sold action to the Russians to play the WSOP and then finds a new deal for online post WSOP... don't you guys get that this is just stealing?

It does appear to be a huge angle shoot in my opinion, and it surprises me that this is even and issue. JY could have worked out a deal to get money from Moorman for expenses and such while working off make-up, as I think based on what I read ITT would have been agreed to. My only problem is that they both agreed to an arbitrator, and that arbitrator surpringly decided in the favor of JY. I don't know if the arbitration was meant to be binding or not, but if it was meant to be binding, then Moorman is out of luck unless JY realizes that a compromise needs to be sought.

Its certainly akin to stealing and I would think this should make anyone think twice about putting money behind Jymaster. Sure he is a good player, but when it comes down to it he just isnt honest in his business. Seems to be there will always be better spots than someone who might just decide they dont owe you money for any number of reasons. I find it sad to think that both moorman and jymaster considered eachother friends before jymaster stoops to this.

I agree that there was probably some communication failure between the 2 during this whole ordeal, but I can bet jymaster didnt spend that much time sitting in front of aim trying to hit moorman up. Otherwise, i know for a fact, that this could have been easily resolved. Sadly enough this has already be arbitrated and both parties agreed to abide by it. Doesnt change my opinion that this is about as close to stealing as you can get without having your hand in someones wallet.

 

Originally Posted by ImaLucSac

Its certainly akin to stealing and I would think this should make anyone think twice about putting money behind Jymaster. Sure he is a good player, but when it comes down to it he just isnt honest in his business. Seems to be there will always be better spots than someone who might just decide they dont owe you money for any number of reasons. I find it sad to think that both moorman and jymaster considered eachother friends before jymaster stoops to this.

I agree that there was probably some communication failure between the 2 during this whole ordeal, but I can bet jymaster didnt spend that much time sitting in front of aim trying to hit moorman up. Otherwise, i know for a fact, that this could have been easily resolved. Sadly enough this has already be arbitrated and both parties agreed to abide by it. Doesnt change my opinion that this is about as close to stealing as you can get without having your hand in someones wallet.

I agree, but Moorman made a huge mistake. He's running a business. Backing is a business. Backing HSMTT players where aggregate MU can probably reach close to or upwards of 1 million is a huge investment. As a backer and someone in the corporate world, I find it unbelievable that his entire communication with JY over a 4 month period was 1 email that JY never acknowledged that he received or understood. Although I believe that JY is angleshooting here, if you're going to run a business, you have to do it correctly. And Moorman completely failed in that regard. You can just assume you and a backee are on the same page re: 80k in MU.

Who is the biggest scammer ?

Hawaiisgreat or JYmaster ?

Both scamming in different ways.

 

Originally Posted by JLizard

Did moorman give him the option to move to canada to grind after wsop so that he could play the WSOP? Seems like if someone else was there to give him that option then he should be allowed to take it.

What does him selling action have to do with anything ? He did what he had to do to play the WSOP. If moorman was not willing to compromise then whats there even left to do?

Pretty redic to ask someone to relocate to another country for a few weeks just to come back to vegas for the series. Why was it not a possibilty to go to canada after the WSOP to grind on the same deal?

I mean, it's pretty clear that moorman and jy never talked. Neither party even attempted to compromise and neither party even discussed relocation pre or post WSOP. Huge fail on both sides.

That said, if someone else offered JY the option to move to Canada, JY still should have informed moorman of that offer and at least provided moorman with a chance to match JY's best offer before walking out on moorman.

Also, I don't remember seeing anywhere that moorman was not willing to compromise re: WSOP. Neither of them talked. If there had been any communication, I'd agree with you completely. But your questions are all about hypothetical scenarios that never occurred since neither of them bothered to communicate.