Originally Posted by Shadytree

WOMP anytime you put have a crap ton of money , its online , many users and tons of people controlling that system , its going to cause trouble and have some people putting there hands in the cookie jar , look at the government , police etc etc #moneyiswhatweallwant

So is multiaccounting ok then?

 

Originally Posted by tom44411

Why are there different levels of scum? Is the community so immune to MAing now that it's borderline accepted?

I am also curious about this point- does it matter how someone tries to rip you off?

he's a cheat, anyone who meets him in person should just ask him.....how's the cheating going?

frickin pillack

 

Originally Posted by BLUEberLEEZ

do you think that traffic violations, petty theft, burglary, robbery, and murder are all equally abominable?

thats a horrible analogy....

with online poker, integrity and reputation are a HUGE part of the game, basically hiding behind a false identity is as bad as it can get.

if he was looking for action THAT bad, he should offer some type of challenge, not scam people.

 

Originally Posted by BLUEberLEEZ

you think that's the worse type of cheating that occurs in online poker? are you aware you're allowed to have multiple screen names on merge, so JM could have played anonymously if he wanted to?

get a clue guy

So its ok that he played anonymously on a lock pros established account against regs who had no clue who he was

Pretty sure that cheating in poker is just theft and cheating. Your analogy is god awful

 

Originally Posted by tom44411

Pretty sure that cheating in poker is just theft and cheating. Your analogy is god awful

so JM playing on this guy's acct......when he could have played on any random account he wanted to......is just as bad as the Portuguese kid superusing his buddies on Skype...because "cheating in poker is just theft and cheating" [whatever that is supposed to mean]

I'm not saying JM didn't do anything wrong, it seemed like he did some very shady things.

Nevertheless, the term "multi-accounting" should really only refer to people who use multiple accounts in the same tournament. The act of having more than one account name is against terms of service on most sites but is definitely considered a much lesser offense and many players have played on accounts other than their own at some point in time.

 

Originally Posted by apestyles

I'm not saying JM didn't do anything wrong, it seemed like he did some very shady things.

Nevertheless, the term "multi-accounting" should really only refer to people who use multiple accounts in the same tournament. The act of having more than one account name is against terms of service on most sites but is definitely considered a much lesser offense and many players have played on accounts other than their own at some point in time.

yea having a 2nd sn when someone plays 50 NL 9 handed and with 4k other people playing 50NL is not really note worthy....

but when someone as known and regarded as JM uses another account to play someone with as high stakes as he does, and its usually HU, then to me thats a huge deal. Some fish with 5 accounts is obv against the rules, but you HS players should realize how much your play is dependent on who you are playing against...

 

Originally Posted by ShyGuy03533

yea having a 2nd sn when someone plays 50 NL 9 handed and with 4k other people playing 50NL is not really note worthy....

but when someone as known and regarded as JM uses another account to play someone with as high stakes as he does, and its usually HU, then to me thats a huge deal. Some fish with 5 accounts is obv against the rules, but you HS players should realize how much your play is dependent on who you are playing against...

Yea, its definitely unethical. I'm not saying it isn't. Just saying its two different offenses incorrectly labeled under the same title of "multiaccounting."

And he gets a full page picture in Bluff magazine prior to the WSOP ME with this quote from Jungleman12:

"I noticed that people had not given back to the community without taking a piece of the action. Thought a really nice thing to do is to put someone in while not looking for anything in return".

This, in regards to putting a friend into the main, which seems like a really 'nice' thing to do, but was it based on a guilty conscience?, ...oh the irony

 

Originally Posted by JLizard

If he gained equity that he wouldn't have had otherwise by breaking the rules then he is effectively stealing (equity). If you steal 10$ or 100$ your stealing just the same.

Whether or not he gains as much equity doing this vs someone who plays two accounts in the same mtt is difficult to calculate . I don't know high stakes cash but I imagine he would/could gain alot of equity doing this or he wouldn't bother.

I can imagine if he did this alot he could get alot of equity . If a person were to mulitacct an mtt once or twice he might gain very little equity .

So who is more in the wrong, someone who cheats alot using extra accounts playing cash or someone who very rarely cheats by mulitaccting in tournaments? I would say its the one who stole more equity . I don't think the particulars of the crime make a difference, its the damage done.

It should be every players right to not play a game with someone that they don't want to play with . If making a new acct on a different skin is legal then he shoulda done that. He didn't tho.

I have no proof but If I had to guess it would be that this wasnt the first time he has done this. How many drunk drivers get caught the first time they drive drunk ? I hear the stats are that most people drive drunk 80 times before they get a DUI. What are the odds that the first time he used someone elses account to 'get action' he gets caught , pretty high I bet.

best post in this thread. agree 100% with everything.