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  1. ItchMyNutz ItchMyNutz is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 6:49am)

    I know there is probably a thread buried somewhere with this discussion, but what is a good final table percentage?

    I would think it is probably somewhere between 5 and 10%. I know there is probably a variance depending on entrants....but I usually select MTT's with 150 or more and I am averaging about 13% FT's (25 out of 326 MTT's).

    My average buy in is around $7 and I I view myself as a solid player, but think I am overachieving a bit and don't think I should expect to hit 10-15% FT's once I reach 1000 MTT's

    Any feedback would be appreciated.
    Edited By: ItchMyNutz Mar 2nd, 2012 at 06:57 AM
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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 6:59am) in reply to ItchMyNutz

    I think 3-5% is Ideal if you close out tournaments well and get top 3 finishes. This is assuming the tourney has between 500-1000 entrants
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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 7:41am) in reply to Dwain Phoenix

    That's a pretty good percent but you're not wrong in thinking it will level out as you play more tournaments. I think 5% is a pretty decent goal to shoot for over a long sample.
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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 8:37am) in reply to JaySpo

    making FT's has a certain feel good factor, but top 3 is where the moneys at, so don't matter if you are at 25% FT's if you keep coming 9th
     
  5. ItchMyNutz ItchMyNutz is offline

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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 2:19pm) in reply to norv

    I would think if you hit 25% Final tables in MTT's of 150 and up and came in 9th every time....you would still be profitable. When getting to the final table....my avg finish is 4.5 so I have a little work to do in trying to bring that average to somewhere in the 3's.
    Edited By: ItchMyNutz Mar 2nd, 2012 at 02:20 PM
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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 7:06pm) in reply to ItchMyNutz

    Yeah 25% final table is unrealistic anyways lol.

    But as for working on closing out wins at the final table A good way to practice is by playing in Sit and go's (Single,Multi, and heads up)
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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 8:12pm) in reply to Dwain Phoenix

    No thats way to much...2 or 3 percent is about right esp. for the field size that you have to wonder thru.
     
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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 8:16pm) in reply to jtj03

    pretty pointless discussion imo. too many variables involved and too much variance to ever get an accurate figure. plus it doesnt really matter
     
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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 9:25pm) in reply to Sdanby

     
    Originally Posted by Sdanby View Post

    pretty pointless discussion imo. too many variables involved and too much variance to ever get an accurate figure. plus it doesnt really matter

    I have to disagree, there are plenty of tracking sites where you can find out how often you cash, final table, top 3, and win. If you look up stats for top players you can def. see a trend in how well they finish on average. In a game of numbers, statistics and results actually do matter.
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    Mar 2nd, 2012 (3/2/2012 10:38pm) in reply to Dwain Phoenix

     
    Originally Posted by Dwain Phoenix View Post

    I have to disagree, there are plenty of tracking sites where you can find out how often you cash, final table, top 3, and win. If you look up stats for top players you can def. see a trend in how well they finish on average. In a game of numbers, statistics and results actually do matter.

    ok, if you could actually read into the figure and see what it means then yes it would be useful. but as i said, with all the variables, this particular stat is useless because they could play fields ranging anywhere from 45-100,000.
     
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    Mar 3rd, 2012 (3/3/2012 6:39am) in reply to ItchMyNutz

     
    Originally Posted by ItchMyNutz View Post

    I would think if you hit 25% Final tables in MTT's of 150 and up and came in 9th every time....you would still be profitable. When getting to the final table....my avg finish is 4.5 so I have a little work to do in trying to bring that average to somewhere in the 3's.


    yes but you didnt understand my logic......it doesn't matter how many FT's you make if you only ever come 9th - may as well come 20th - the money is at 1,2 and 3......SO don't get too enthusiastic over FT's as this game is all about winning, take Pius Heinz as an example or any main event wcoop or scoop champion, I would rather be the guy that won than the one who only ever comes 9th
     
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    Mar 3rd, 2012 (3/3/2012 8:21am) in reply to norv

    most regs itm% is about 13-14%.... out of those.. probably around 10% it's a final table...
    so ideal ft% would around 1% or so...
     
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    Mar 3rd, 2012 (3/3/2012 10:29am) in reply to SSG

    It is all relative to how big the average field size is... my stats from back on FTP for FT% and such:

    Wins: 166 0.91%
    Return on Investment:
    Seconds: 88 0.48%
    Average Finish: 37/100
    Thirds: 92 0.50%
    Average Expectation:
    Top 3 Rate: 346 1.89%
    Average Field Size: 1,044
    Final Tables: 881 4.81%
    Average Buy-Ins Won:
    Cashes: 2834 15.49%
    Total Played: 18301
    Edited By: ManchVegasPwn Mar 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 AM
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    Mar 3rd, 2012 (3/3/2012 6:10pm) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

    If you want to know what a good final table % is with different field sizes, then just assign the math probabilities of every tournament you enter, and add them together and you will have the statistical norm. Considering there is an average 9% take on tourney prize pools, you would probably need around 20% more than statistical norm to be profitable at a rate worth your while.

    Exp: If you played 50 tournies with fields of 700, 50 with 300 player fields, and 50 with 500 player fields, the straight math says you should make the final nine 3.05 times. So 3.66 would be a decent number.
    This is overly simplistic, and there are many other variables, but it's a good, simple way of where you're at according to statistical chances.
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    Mar 3rd, 2012 (3/3/2012 6:17pm) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

     
    Originally Posted by ManchVegasPwn View Post

    It is all relative to how big the average field size is

    +1

    When I played on stars and tilt I rarely would play in tourneys with a field over 250 and quite a few a lot smaller (>60). I was playing HORSE and PLO8 tourneys and the Big Doubles on tilt. Small field size should mean a lot more final tables than most.

    The nightly $100 HORSE on Stars would only get around 50 people. I had to be making at least 20% final tables for those and probably more often.
     
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    Mar 3rd, 2012 (3/3/2012 7:41pm) in reply to doc793

     
    Originally Posted by doc793 View Post

    +1

    When I played on stars and tilt I rarely would play in tourneys with a field over 250 and quite a few a lot smaller (>60). I was playing HORSE and PLO8 tourneys and the Big Doubles on tilt. Small field size should mean a lot more final tables than most.

    The nightly $100 HORSE on Stars would only get around 50 people. I had to be making at least 20% final tables for those and probably more often.

    This.

    And on the other hand, if you are playing tourneys with an average field size of like 600 then you need to be very cautious about drawing any judgments until you have a ginormous sample size because the variance on FT% is just so great.
     
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    Mar 4th, 2012 (3/4/2012 4:45am) in reply to ManchVegasPwn

     
    Originally Posted by ManchVegasPwn View Post

    It is all relative to how big the average field size is... my stats from back on FTP for FT% and such:

    Wins: 166 0.91%
    Return on Investment:
    Seconds: 88 0.48%
    Average Finish: 37/100
    Thirds: 92 0.50%
    Average Expectation:
    Top 3 Rate: 346 1.89%
    Average Field Size: 1,044
    Final Tables: 881 4.81%
    Average Buy-Ins Won:
    Cashes: 2834 15.49%
    Total Played: 18301

    sick brag bro
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    Mar 4th, 2012 (3/4/2012 5:12am) in reply to HOUNDofHELL

     
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    Mar 4th, 2012 (3/4/2012 6:46am) in reply to LiquidSw0rd

    haha thats some funny shit right there
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