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House Hearing On Internet Gambling Live At 11:15AM EST

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  1. C00LHANDLUKE C00LHANDLUKE is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 3:55pm)

    I know it's a bit late but on C-SPAN there will be a live hearing on Internet Gambling.
    It will start after the current general speeches happening now.
  2. hokies7589 hokies7589 is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 3:55pm) in reply to C00LHANDLUKE

    http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/...ndcommerce2123
  3. kevmode kevmode is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 4:29pm) in reply to hokies7589

    There is a live sweat thread on 2+2 where people are sweating it live. I am going to follow it soon after I eat breakfast because it sounds interesting and is important to me.

    http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...sweat-1117634/
     
  4. TheVillageGrinder TheVillageGrinder is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 4:57pm) in reply to kevmode

    Barton just owned that Indian lol
  5. JON STAMOZ JON STAMOZ is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 4:59pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    1st time I've ever watched C-Span for more than 2 minutes
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:05pm) in reply to JON STAMOZ

    get this shit regulated!
     
  7. kevmode kevmode is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:06pm) in reply to JON STAMOZ

     
    Originally Posted by JON STAMOZ View Post

    1st time I've ever watched C-Span for more than 2 minutes

    +1
     
  8. hokies7589 hokies7589 is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:13pm) in reply to kevmode

    I'm betting c-span has never seen these ratings haha
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:17pm) in reply to hokies7589

    it's amazing how fucking stupid people are
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:20pm) in reply to kevmode

    lolz i know. As long as all these old people are making decisions about online gambling based on the capabilities of current technology, we're kinda fucked.
  11. hokies7589 hokies7589 is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:24pm) in reply to kevmode

    So they are trying to get rid of HUDs? (haha they keep calling it a BOT)
    Edited By: hokies7589 Oct 25th, 2011 at 05:24 PM
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:25pm) in reply to hokies7589

     
    Originally Posted by hokies7589 View Post

    So they are trying to get rid of HUDs? (haha they keep calling it a BOT)

    And they think its on another computer lol. This is funny and sad all at once.
  13. hokies7589 hokies7589 is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:32pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    "super bots" lmao

    The Chairman of the ppa does not know what happens when you disconnect?
    Edited By: hokies7589 Oct 25th, 2011 at 05:32 PM
  14. Dan Dan is offline Administrator

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:36pm) in reply to hokies7589

     
    Originally Posted by hokies7589 View Post

    "super bots" lmao

    The Chairman of the ppa does not know what happens when you disconnect?

    D'Amato did give a solid response to that question. The committee is quickly figuring out there are a lot of issues to consider re: internet gambling.
     
  15. hokies7589 hokies7589 is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:37pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    haha there is a rating system....check gags up here...
    Edited By: hokies7589 Oct 25th, 2011 at 05:38 PM
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:38pm) in reply to Dan

     
    Originally Posted by Dan View Post

    D'Amato did give a solid response to that question. The committee is quickly figuring out there are a lot of issues to consider re: internet gambling.

    Right. These ppl are so technologically illiterate. Just let smarter ppl deal with those issue.
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:38pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    someone needs to tell these retards that bots suck. Please let me play heads up or full ring against bots. ez game
     
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:44pm) in reply to Dan

    LULZ!!! Barton has play money out the whazoo online!

    Who is this Eggert dude. He sounds like a moron. A program that plays like a world class player lol. this hearing is getting so sidetracked.
    Edited By: TheVillageGrinder Oct 25th, 2011 at 05:42 PM
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 5:44pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    Barton getting heatedddd
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 6:45pm) in reply to hokies7589

     
    Originally Posted by hokies7589 View Post

    "super bots" lmao

    The Chairman of the ppa does not know what happens when you disconnect?


    You would rather him say, "Well, you lose the money you put in the pot"? In many cases, that is what happens, and to give a full answer even if you know exactly what happens off the top of your head, it would take much longer than the 30 seconds that the Chairwoman allowed him to respond. There are a lot of variables that go into what happens when you disconnect.
     
  21. Dan Dan is offline Administrator

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 7:09pm) in reply to jhill3535

    Here's a complete recap of the hearing in case you missed it. It was refreshing to hear discussion on consumer protection and not on the moral aspects of whether we should legalize gambling:

    http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...gaming-586885/
     
  22. haonhack haonhack is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 7:13pm) in reply to Dan

    The replay is up and working
    http://www.c-span.org/Events/Members...g/10737425016/

    It's on the right side of the page under the video playlist "Hearing on Online Gaming: From Earlier"
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 7:56pm) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

     
    Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder View Post

    LULZ!!! Barton has play money out the whazoo online!

    Who is this Eggert dude. He sounds like a moron. A program that plays like a world class player lol. this hearing is getting so sidetracked.

    Eggert is pretty well respected and definitely not a "moron." Agreed that the hearing got a little sidetracked with the bot and software discussion, although those are two points the committee might want to consider. I don't think a lot of the committee members understand how online poker really works, however.

    What did you guys think of the opponent rating system?
     
  24. kevmode kevmode is offline

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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 8:01pm) in reply to Dan

    The rating system is a joke and I hope they don't have a rating system with the new regulation.
     
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 8:15pm) in reply to kevmode

     
    Originally Posted by kevmode View Post

    The rating system is a joke and I hope they don't have a rating system with the new regulation.

    + terrible idea. & the displaying of probabilities to win they were talking about in comparison with slot machines, was that just rake & entry fees or were they talking about having pokerstove built in and running to help the noobs? I got the impression that they really wanted to take any kind of an edge or profit margin out of the game or reduce it as much as possible, but I only saw about the last 30 min I'll watch the replay soon.
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 8:24pm) in reply to bwalz

     
    Originally Posted by bwalz View Post

    + terrible idea. & the displaying of probabilities to win they were talking about in comparison with slot machines, was that just rake & entry fees or were they talking about having pokerstove built in and running to help the noobs? I got the impression that they really wanted to take any kind of an edge or profit margin out of the game or reduce it as much as possible, but I only saw about the last 30 min I'll watch the replay soon.


    i mean, they can't have winning % built in, cause that would require them showing everyone's hole cards to everyone, which would obviously be retarded...

    maybe they're just talking about like how often someone's AA wins or whatever, so people don't think that the programs are cheating them. (once nad for all ending the 'online poker is rigged' debate...or that they 'set the decks to make more action' or anything absurd like people used to say)

    idk, this whole thing was clearly a shit show and displays the incompetence of our governmental system
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 8:27pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post


    idk, this whole thing was clearly a shit show and displays the incompetence of our governmental system

    pretty much this.
     
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 9:07pm) in reply to Dan

     
    Originally Posted by Dan View Post

    Eggert is pretty well respected and definitely not a "moron." Agreed that the hearing got a little sidetracked with the bot and software discussion, although those are two points the committee might want to consider. I don't think a lot of the committee members understand how online poker really works, however.

    What did you guys think of the opponent rating system?

    If it is based on winnings or profit, we know that won't really work, or at least won't be accurate. It would take hundreds of thousands of hands to converge on an accurate rating.

    I am not completely against it as there are already things like it out there if you just do a little research, its not that hard to find. But I don't think it will do what they want it to do, and its going to be very inaccurate. I would imagine the HU players will HATE it.

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    i mean, they can't have winning % built in, cause that would require them showing everyone's hole cards to everyone, which would obviously be retarded...

    maybe they're just talking about like how often someone's AA wins or whatever, so people don't think that the programs are cheating them. (once nad for all ending the 'online poker is rigged' debate...or that they 'set the decks to make more action' or anything absurd like people used to say)

    idk, this whole thing was clearly a shit show and displays the incompetence of our governmental system


    What that guy wants is for the recreational gambler to clearly see the disadvantage that he has at the table. Rake, entry fees and such are already easily visible, but what you can't tell is your skill level vs the rest of the table. I doubt this is a big deal in an MTT as it is in ring games and more so in HU play.

    We know that this is not really possible, as there are way to many variables and sample sizes will have to be ridiculously large for the numbers to have any meaning.

    FWIW this guy wants casino slot machines to be labeled with their payback % as well as all casino table games to clearly state the house edge on any and every bet that you can make. That's his problem he thinks people should know exactly what they are losing on every bet they make. When you are playing against a set game with set rules, this is easy to figure. When you are playing against other people that make their own decisions, it is much harder to calculate if not impossible.
     
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    Oct 25th, 2011 (10/25/2011 11:47pm) in reply to jhill3535

    I'm not sure amateurs allways want to know how bad they are.
    Also it seems needlessly controlling. They seem to asume all people are stupid and need to be protected from there own stupidity. I mean poker is not destroying many lives as far as I know.
    I can understand banning huds tho. I even think it may be better for poker because it'll give beginning players and occasional players a better chance to keep up and makes the game a little less clinical(before you start hammering on me, I'm a full ring cash player mainly and I rely on my HUD to survive).

    Anyway, I hope you guys get it sorted out over there, gl!
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    Oct 26th, 2011 (10/26/2011 1:52am) in reply to Dan

     
    Originally Posted by Dan View Post

    Here's a complete recap of the hearing in case you missed it. It was refreshing to hear discussion on consumer protection and not on the moral aspects of whether we should legalize gambling:

    http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...gaming-586885/

    Yeah I'm glad it wasn't about morality too but don't you think much of the discussion re: consumer protection was kind of a waste of time because these ppl were talking and speculating about things that were relatively easy fixes, or at least things that the current technology could account for?

    I mean they were all just sitting up there speculating. If they were gonna get into that level of discussion about protecting the consumer from any possible glitch that could take place, or way someone could cheat, then why not have someone who is a security expert in online gaming present to testify?
    Edited By: TheVillageGrinder Oct 26th, 2011 at 01:56 AM
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