[TMLMS13]

 

Originally Posted by Z-Fresh

and adding "eh" to the end of every sentence while ignoring the letter "O."

depends on where you live in Canada. In southern Ontario no one does it consistently Edited By: TMLMS13 Apr 19th, 2011 at 06:34 PM

[StraightNutz]

Costa Rica would be sick! I think its between there or Canada.

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

Really? Does anyone know if the UIGEA does not apply to Puerto Rico? As a U.S. citizen, can I move to PR indefinitely, with no need for a visa, and be able to play on stars and Tilt?

Would love to know the answer to this as well!

[unta]

Math club what city do you live in? I am coming to NZ middle of may when school ends, do you have any idea what I should be looking to spend on a place in Wanaka or Queenstown?

[maxtov]

How about just running a machine (or 2) in a country of your choice, installing the app on it and with the help of MS Windows RDP client continue business as usual.
Pros - No need to move, comps are cheap now, can have multiples for redundancy
Cons - Electric bill, machine is out of immediate physical reach, slight lag while playing.
There are data centers all over the world, so that should not be a problem.
Or, if you want to take it to bump it up a notch - run your own proxy server somewhere and save on moving expenses.
Food for thought...

[Ace10Suted]

Not sure if this has been said in the thread at all, but it seems stars isn't allowing anyone with a US address on their account to play, no matter where you are. It's not validating by IP. It's validating by physical address, and they are not allowing you to change your address at all. That's what it's looking like at first glance anyway. I have an email out to support to ask about this as I am currently out of the US and Tilt is letting me on fine, Stars, not so much. So you may want to check what's going on with that if you plan on relocating and still playing on Stars.

[Pafnutka]

 

Originally Posted by MattAKA

just out of curiosity if you move will you all be making new accounts? think i read somewere you can't change ur location on ur current accounts without papers. im prob wrong

I just got home from Las Vegas yesterday, and easily changed my country of residence to Russia on Full Tilt. Didn't even have to contact support to make that change, just did it myself. It won't be so easy with stars. On their address change form the "Country" field is disabled. I'll try contacting their support today and just hope for the best.

[Ace10Suted]

Just received this back from Stars secuirty team:

Hello Brian,

Thank you for your email.

Unfortunately, we are unable to assist you with a country/address change at this time.
We will endevour to provide you with further assistance as soon as the situation is clearer.
If you wish to visit the Cashier to request a cashout, you may still do so without further delay.We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you, and we thank you for your understanding.

Regards,

IleanaV
pokerstars Security Team

So I would love to know how anyone that has left the US since Friday has been able to play on Stars. Doesn't appear possible to me. Love how they tell me I can cashout though. Doubt it. Edited By: Ace10Suted Apr 20th, 2011 at 07:41 PM

[OVERDRIV3]

OP edit: Norway- cost of living- HIGH :)

[rivverkiller]

 

Originally Posted by mathclub

yep you can just go into nz or aussie on your passport and live there and you are sweet, don't need to apply or tell anyone. you can pretty easily apply for a multi year work visa to the uk with your nz passport which will let you live there for 2-3 years, or even 5 if you have a british grandparent, and you can extend it. pretty easy to get into the uk on a kiwi passport.

fwiw, my cousin who's canadian was able to live there for 3 years on work visas but was then denied citizenship even though she had a job, place to live and money in the bank.

[smcrawford2 The Decision Tree]

relevant: http://www.pokerstars.com/usaplayers/faq/#onps

[darkcheck_]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...1/index20.html

thats the pokerstars FAQ regarding this

you cant have an account as american and simply go to Canada now and play, unfortunately

full tilts FAQ is down now so maybe theyre in the process of updating/following in stars footsteps

[SirCrafty]

so now that we are able to withdraw, can i just change the location on my accounts, move to canada and play there, and withdraw using my US bank account? or would i need to set up a canadian bank account?

[bustuw72]

unfortunetly sircrafty the guys who moved already are not helping by offering any info in this thread. basically this thread has almost no relative info on moving to Canada. I'm not sure why, but thats the truth about the current info provided. Edited By: bustuw72 Apr 21st, 2011 at 06:21 PM

[edc5036]

I'm strongly considering going the poker house grind route for a few months after my current semester ends in about 3 weeks.

Leaning towards Costa Rica right now as I spent spring break 2010 there so I have a bit of experience and would LOVE to go back. Cost of living is quite cheap compared to USA, and you can open a CR bank account as a US citizen without much trouble so cashouts should be EZ game. Ship me a PM if any of you guys are interested....

 

Originally Posted by SirCrafty

so now that we are able to withdraw, can i just change the location on my accounts, move to canada and play there, and withdraw using my US bank account? or would i need to set up a canadian bank account?

You can NOT do this. In general Canada's immigration/visa laws are some of the strictest around. You wont be able to open a bank account there without a legit Canada ID. Since it seems the sites are taking the position that you need an overseas bank account and NOT just proof of residency, I don't see Canada as a feasible option for most of us.

[Funchaloe]

I saw Norway mentioned in the OP, so I'll clarify a lot about this country.
I'll start by urging you NOT to move here. It's retardedly cold here, and we have a socialist (I say communist) government that hates poker and personal freedom. We do not have any casinos due to the fact that the state-monopoly on gambling do not offer poker. Live poker - even a small game with friends - is illegal, and the police often raid live games. Online poker is currently legal, but the government has taken measures to make it difficult for us to play on online poker sites. I.e. the banks are now forbidden to make transactions to/and from online poker sites and foreign live casinos.
The cost of living is very high in this country.
So, to sum up: do NOT move here. A lot of norwegian poker players are considering moving out of the country, and for a good reason.

Also, I hope most americans get back online soon. Too bad the Black Friday had to occur.

[wackyJaxon Admin X]

 

Originally Posted by Funchaloe

I saw Norway mentioned in the OP, so I'll clarify a lot about this country.
I'll start by urging you NOT to move here. It's retardedly cold here, and we have a socialist (I say communist) government that hates poker and personal freedom. We do not have any casinos due to the fact that the state-monopoly on gambling do not offer poker. Live poker - even a small game with friends - is illegal, and the police often raid live games. Online poker is currently legal, but the government has taken measures to make it difficult for us to play on online poker sites. I.e. the banks are now forbidden to make transactions to/and from online poker sites and foreign live casinos.
The cost of living is very high in this country.
So, to sum up: do NOT move here. A lot of norwegian poker players are considering moving out of the country, and for a good reason.

Also, I hope most americans get back online soon. Too bad the Black Friday had to occur.

Love Norwegians, and Nesbo is a good author, but agree with Funchaloe.

The Norwegian Live Poker Championship not even being allowed to be in Norway. It was closer to me being in Riga (capital of Latvia). Norway is probably one of the least friend poker countries out there. Edited By: wackyJaxon Apr 21st, 2011 at 06:44 PM

[dapalma150]

 

Originally Posted by daughton

UK has no gambling restrictions and no tax on online winnings.

If you can legally stay in a single EU country for 3 years, you automatically get that nationality. You are then entitled to move to any EU member coluntry and live as you please. Mostly people do the 3 year qualifying part under the guise of attending a college or place of education and there are loads about that actually don't register you just keep you on the rolls for this purpose. For a price of course.

Easiest way in is find a part Italian grandparent and you automatically qualify for Italian citzenship and can instantly move to the UK.

What about a great grand parent from Italy, would that work?

[Pghfan987]

Re: US players not being allowed to play in other countries while on vacation. Is that part of stars' interpretation of US law, or are they just trying trying to limit American players from fraudulently playing while in the US via a VPN? I was thinking about going on a 3 month working vacation to Costa Rica, staying at a beach house during that time. I am not sure if I will be able to establish "residency", as utility bills probably won't be in my name.

[RUBINH]

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

Re: US players not being allowed to play in other countries while on vacation. Is that part of stars' interpretation of US law, or are they just trying trying to limit American players from fraudulently playing while in the US via a VPN? I was thinking about going on a 3 month working vacation to Costa Rica, staying at a beach house during that time. I am not sure if I will be able to establish "residency", as utility bills probably won't be in my name.

I mean you're going to need a bank account anyway, so that should suffice.

[FenwayKing The Well: FenwayKing]

updated with the new info in OP

looks like a lot of places have a 90 day tourist visa type of thing but you may have to leave the country for about 24-72 hrs (not sure what it is exactly)

[wackyJaxon Admin X]

 

Originally Posted by FenwayKing

EUROPE

General EU Immigration thoughts from daughton:
[B][I]If you can legally stay in a single EU country for 3 years, you automatically get that nationality. You are then entitled to move to any EU member coluntry and live as you please. Mostly people do the 3 year qualifying part under the guise of attending a college or place of education and there are loads about that actually don't register you just keep you on the rolls for this purpose. For a price of course.

Can't speak of all of Europe, but I was legally in the UK for 3 years and will be legally in Lithuania in 3 years in a year. Neither country is it automatic you can become a citizen just for being there for 3 years as an American. Now that I am a legal resident of Lithuania and married to a Lithuanian Citizen, I am allowed to live anywhere in the EU (might be an exception or two there) as a resident.

[fly44]

 

Originally Posted by edc5036

You can NOT do this. In general Canada's immigration/visa laws are some of the strictest around. You wont be able to open a bank account there without a legit Canada ID. Since it seems the sites are taking the position that you need an overseas bank account and NOT just proof of residency, I don't see Canada as a feasible option for most of us.

This isn't true. I called Scotiabank and they said their policy is to leave it up to the individual branches to open accounts for non-Canadian citizens. Based on a 2+2 thread from last year most branches will let you open an account just as long as you are there in person and have any ID.

[Pghfan987]

 

Originally Posted by RUBINH

I mean you're going to need a bank account anyway, so that should suffice.

I was under the impression I would not need a foreign bank account, but I could just transfer funds from my US bank account to moneybookers or neteller when I arrived in Costa Rica. Is this not true?

[smcrawford2 The Decision Tree]

i called a bank in kingston, ontario a couple hours ago. i was told all i needed to open an account was driver's licence, passport w/ photo, and a reason for opening the account.

[wackyJaxon Admin X]

 

Originally Posted by Pghfan987

I was under the impression I would not need a foreign bank account, but I could just transfer funds from my US bank account to moneybookers or neteller when I arrived in Costa Rica. Is this not true?

Pgh - be careful with neteller and US banks, since its not allowed by them for sure. Also, do NOT use neteller while in US. I made this mistake last year in Vegas, and it was instantly locked. I couldn't unlock it until back in Lithuania and had to go through the verification process including a few phone calls with them all over again. No idea about moneybookers though.

[StraightNutz]

Is professional Online Poker Player considered a skilled worker? I ask because there is an online assessment that can be filled out and sent in for free. It is completely confidential and it [FONT=Arial]determines your eligibility to successfully immigrate to Canada as a skilled worker. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Here is the link: http://www.canadian-immigration.ca/S...Assessment.htm[/FONT]

 

Originally Posted by smcrawford2

i called a bank in kingston, ontario a couple hours ago. i was told all i needed to open an account was driver's licence, passport w/ photo, and a reason for opening the account.

That should be easy enough! Indiana boys movin to Canda FTW...

[Mr B]

ip

[RUBINH]

Pgh, I really doubt Neteller will transfer funds to or from a US bank account.

[manderbutt]

My understanding from the stars text, among other stuff I've been reading is that you'll need a residence/house abroad, utility bill, and bank acct, all within that same country. Stars FAQ says they want something like a new photo ID from the country of residency and a utility bill... thus I'm doubting somehow that showing a short-term lease agreement(which is hardly comparable to a government issued ID) in a vacation rental in country 'x' would be adequate proof of residency. That seems too easy somehow.

Citizenship is much more difficult to obtain, and unnecessary for many of us for what we're trying to achieve... unless you really intend on relinquishing your citizenship to the US. You really wanna apply for a visa and wait weeks/months to get back into the US one day to see your family, etc? Even with the prospect of dual residency, you can still count on paying US taxes. Own a home or have US investments? Taxes will bind you to our country indefinitely. Gaining residency seems like a much more simple/less permanent solution to these problems. What would one need to gain RESIDENCY in the countries mentioned above itt? Anyone with more info or who embodies the ambition to research it... would be appreciated and admired

The bank acct is a given because American banks will have nothing to do with the poker transactions, netteller, etc. Most foreign banks will require passport and a national address/utility bill(from what i've read..but could arguably be incorrect). Something else I read, if anyone has more info... is of claiming your money once you return to the US after your travels abroad. The two options are to adopt a home abroad for the long term so that the foreign income exclusions apply, or to go abroad on some kind of visa(many only 90 days, therefore not applicable for the tax exemptions mentioned above). If we return to the US for more than 1 month per calendar year, we must claim our bank acct xfers(foreign accts to US accts) and cash being brought into the US/US banks exceeding $10,000, including reason we're transferring such a suspiciously large amount of money. I suppose it'd be legal to make mention of our actual reasons?

Thanks for starting this thread! Good info so far..

[Chet Steadman]

 

Originally Posted by manderbutt

Citizenship is much more difficult to obtain, and unnecessary for many of us for what we're trying to achieve... unless you really intend on relinquishing your citizenship to the US. You really wanna apply for a visa and wait weeks/months to get back into the US one day to see your family, etc? Even with the prospect of dual residency, you can still count on paying US taxes. Own a home or have US investments? Taxes will bind you to our country indefinitely. Gaining residency seems like a much more simple/less permanent solution to these problems. What would one need to gain RESIDENCY in the countries mentioned above itt? Anyone with more info or who embodies the ambition to research it... would be appreciated and admired


Thanks for starting this thread! Good info so far..

Addressing the bold, I believe that teaching English in whatever country you move to might be one of the most fitting options. It seems relatively easy to get approved and only requires about 20 hours worth of work a week. I'm sure that varies from country to country, but I have been strongly considering this.