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Hi PocketFives community,
Edited By: wackyJaxon Feb 4th, 2012 at 05:43 PM
Thanks for reading this post, let me introduce myself, I'm Eduard, an 18 year old student who's willing to put the effort in to maximize his games by reading this forum, discussing hand history's and reading books. I'm currently reading the 2 books named: 'Winning poker tournaments one hand at a time' Vol. 1+2.
I've been playing poker since I was 14, starting in an illegal cash game playing $1/1 live and followed by 2nl on pokerstars. When I became 18 year I figured I should try the cash games in my local Casino, named Holland Casino. I've done alright, playing 5/5 NL live. Experienced some ups and downs and making friends with quite popular MTT grinders and cash game players. Since then, i've been figuring out what to do with my life, what path to choose. My current goal is to get a grade in Business Economics (I'm on my second year) and financially supporting myself with poker.
My goal for 2012 is to beat the small stakes MTT's, from the 1.10 FO to the Sunday Storm and the big $11. Actually, I want to play everything up to the 109r. I figured by talking to some pro's and some really good players, that I do have an edge in these games. These guys are also my friends so I think that they don't lie to me just because I'm a fish :D.
I'm starting with a $3k roll online, grinding out at a large volume playing 20-30 games a day. Mixing some 180's in for variance reduction(In other words, for keeping my roll a little bit more even).
The reason I want to play MTT's is because I can't beat 200nl+. I think the cash games in 2012 are so dried up, compared to the MTT's. That it is not worth it to play cash games and getting an edge of 2BB/100 hands. It's just not worth it to put so much effort in something what's 'dieing' compared to MTT's.
Thanks for reading this P5 members, if you got any tips/comments or anything please post them.
Thanks alot!
Eduard (RiverBluffMe) -
Good luck I guess, you gonna start with playing some of the 180s ?
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I dont know what you mean about cash games as im pretty sure there are tons of people who make shit loads of money of them.. But cash and mtts are totally different i think cash is alot harder and more of a grind.. I could play tournaments for 14 hours but when i play cash i stop after about an hour lol.
Edited By: BenFaz Feb 5th, 2012 at 01:53 PM
Dont get to ahead of yourself jumping to 109r play $1-$30 mtts you need to be looking to improve constantly.. if you think your really good i would stop n come back into the real world and see how your doing after playing 2-3k tournaments we all need to keep improving also get a coach or send your HH's to your "pro" mates.
Not trying to be mean but we all need to be brough back to earth sometimes GL man
EDIT : Play 4.50 180 mans to gain experience.. These give you early/mid/late stages within 4 hours which can improve your MTT game tons. :) -
I agree that MTTs are the 'softest' form of poker to be found online.
Edited By: FouTight Feb 5th, 2012 at 02:21 PM
Havent touched (well, except birthday shots) online cash games for 2years+ now . I do play live cash games but online its strickly MTTs.
From what you wrote I can tell you will be a successful poker player.
My best piece of advice: Never Stop Studying The Game
edit: please dont consider playing ANYTHING over 30$... i would suggest 1-20$ mtts for you (for now, until you get at least a couple 4digit scores under your belt). If first place of a tourney is bigger then your roll = dont play it. The $$ will matter WAY TOO MUCH and you will be playign scared poker and not optimal poker.
GL keep us posted -
This can't be right? surely the $3 rebuy (40k gtd) pays more than 3k to first and with a 3k roll he can play those.
Originally Posted by FouTight
I agree that MTTs are the 'softest' form of poker to be found online.
Havent touched (well, except birthday shots) online cash games for 2years+ now . I do play live cash games but online its strickly MTTs.
From what you wrote I can tell you will be a successful poker player.
My best piece of advice: Never Stop Studying The Game
edit: please dont consider playing ANYTHING over 30$... i would suggest 1-20$ mtts for you (for now, until you get at least a couple 4digit scores under your belt). If first place of a tourney is bigger then your roll = dont play it. The $$ will matter WAY TOO MUCH and you will be playign scared poker and not optimal poker.
GL keep us posted -
I dunno about mtt being the softest form of poker online, there are some pretty weak players in the cash games :P and if your good and game select well you'll crush so easily.
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Yeah, the sunday storm pays like 27k to first and is super soft. with a 3k roll you would would be crazy not to play it every sunday, same thing with the $3r, i think you would be crazy not to play that one with a 3k roll also, but that's just me...
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you're wrong if you think cash games are dieing. cash games have 1 huge advantage compared to MTTs,because you can structure your sessions the way you want.
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I would like to thank you all for responding to the topic. I think i'm going to start playing big field MTT's in combination with 180 man regular MTT's. 4.40 and the 3.50r. Thanks all for the support and I hope that I can look back at this topic as the beginning of a new carreer and road.
Edited By: RiverBluffme Feb 6th, 2012 at 12:26 AM
@bazing
'Yes i'm going to do them in combination with large field MTTs'
@matze
'Thanks man :) '
@benfaz
'I'm following your advice and I am going to play alot of the 4.40 180 man sng's. I'm not trying to say that cash games are dead. I think they are getting harder and thougher with the minute and that I don't want to play them anymore..'
@Foutight
'Thanks for the advice and the compliment, I will never stop learning the game, it's never learned. I believe in the 'edge' and if you stop learning it will drop slowly.. Due to competition and auto-piloting.'
@flash
Thanks :)
@djdoodo
While this is true, game selecting and having alot of 'fish' is getting more rare everyday. Both cash games and tournaments have +/- and I think that it's kind of personal preference. Thanks :)
@Smith
I'm not saying that they are dieing, I'm just saying that compared to MTT"s they are getting very though. Thanks :)
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Q: What setup/games would U run with a 3k bankroll? What kind of schedule? I think i'm going to load up as many 4.40 180 man as I can + all 'the big' tournaments up to 11$.
Thanks guys !
Eduard -
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Thanks man :) Yeah I'm doing the 2.50 turbo's and 4.50 normal 180 mans.
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How do you guys stay focused for so long? I like turbo mtt's, but I don't know if I can play 4-8 hour sessions, for regular one.
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I just hope facebook zynga poker gets involved in real money :P Then cash will be the softest for sure haha :D
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I've had problems focussing on cash games for long sessions. Due to the exitement and the 'survival' and progressive cashout imo are the tournaments easier to focus on.
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Hey dood when you need encouragement, look up the big boys and see thier ITM%...Mtt'ers have a lot of loosing in thier lives and its normal to go awhile without a decent cash..helped keep me into it anyways..good luck man
Edited By: tripseekerx Feb 6th, 2012 at 04:49 PM -
Thanks guys for the positive reactions, I'm currently grinding the $2.50 180 man's and looking forward to grinding these. Altough it's kinda a push/fold tournament 90% of the time, they are imo very soft. Looking to play around 100 of these a day to set a quick sample size in 2 months. Expecting not too much but funding a nice bankroll backup to cover those small MTTs.
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Goodluck mate
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as lilholdem said "I dont want to look at 5-10 blinds all day"
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@RiverBluffMe:
Probably factor in some 90 men MTTSNGs as well, just to reduce variance, and before you jump to the next price bracket 180 men MTTSNG try out the 90 men first. Also, nice tournaments I think to start with are the 500 cap MTTs, less players = less variance + you will have more of a chance to hit the final table, (and get that lovely warm feeling inside) and the fields are still v. soft, but with decent payouts.
Good luck, you seem very positive and seem to have a nice get stuck in there attitude. -
Originally Posted by pocketfish
How do you guys stay focused for so long? I like turbo mtt's, but I don't know if I can play 4-8 hour sessions, for regular one.
this is how the weak dissipate and the strong clash at the end
to answer the headline by OP ,mtt's bring 1st place and a huge prize at the end that's the overall lure -
GL, Keep us posted with ur progress.
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That will sure make sundays boring :(
True tho. But if you're deep in a big tournament, u might get lucky and end up shipping it all. Every week there's at least 2 clueless people in the top 3 of the SM. That's saying a lot about this game... -
hey man i had ok results in 2011 but made some horrible decision outside of the tables (brm etc) and ended the year with a slight profit which sucked. also run horrible etc but this is usually a bad excuse. so i decided to start with a new roll and 'get my smart brain back' lol. i started with a similar roll like u and started the first weak with mass grinding micros, which didnt work out especially cause of my PC. then i played a bunch of tourneys and didnt just give a shit about them cause of lowish price pools. i think the following schedule is pretty good (german times):
18.00 - $22 (25k)
18.30 - $11 (20k)
19.00 - $5.50 (15k)
19.00 - $22 (15k)
19.30 - $16.50 Turbo (12k)
20.00 - $11 (50k)
20.15 - $1.10+R 3x-Turbo (30k)
20.30 - $3.30+R (40k)
21.00 - $5.50 Turbo (20k)
21.30 - $11 (20k)
22.45 - $5.50 2R1A (30k)
23.30 - $16.50 Turbo (27k)
00.00 - $5.50+R (30k)
01.15 - $1.10+R 3x-Turbo (20k)
u can take out some tourneys of this schedule if u like, but these are great value tourneys which i didnt play before cause i simply always sucked at low stakes and wasnt able to adapt to non-thinking players and always played my higher thinking game and kept outleveling myself. i really like to play every single tourney in this schedule. i made 1 FT a week so far this year which kinda sucks but i ran horrible and am still up about 2k. i suggest u reg for P5s training, there are really great vids and some concepts ive never heard of before. it helped me to make moves other people dont understand altough there are profitable and work for me. i also read the 2 books u mentioned already and they're also pretty good. apestyles is active in this forum btw. u also should try to qualify for the sunday mil every single week and use a hud (pokertracker/holdemmanager). btw, my plan actually worked out already since a 1st place price of 5k is real money for me again. last year i just stopped give a shit about the tourney when i saw the low first price money. thats a good example of how horrible my brain worked last year. gl in achiving ur goals!
btw respect @ grinding 2.50s with a 1000 buy in BR.. i used to grind the 180s but i dont like them much anymore. they feel like SNGs to me and it's nothing special for me anymore to reach a 180s FT. but these are really good tourneys to build a roll so keep grinding them!
yeah this is wrong. imho even with a roll of $300 or even less it's profitable to play the big 11. i mean he played 5/5 the last 4 years? number one going broke reason for most players who are new to mtts is: playing way to many tables imoIf first place of a tourney is bigger then your roll = dont play it. The $$ will matter WAY TOO MUCH and you will be playign scared poker and not optimal poker.
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