depends if you play HYPER HU or normal hyper or turbo.

Yep, it's possible to crush turbos, lots of regs do it. The fish don't have a clue how to play push/fold, and some regs aren't creative enough preflop (just way too predictable with <25 BBs). The Lab Rat was/is very good at turbos, but his biggest advantage was that he frequently played all the late night turbos when no regs were playing, which inflated his stats.

 

Originally Posted by RedIceRap

huge field turbos w ill end in redicolous swings and lots of frustration. if u want to make money play normal structured tourneys and mix in some turbos.

^^^^This is what im finding. Massively frustrating! I played 10 the other day and kept a record of every all in preflop showdown I was in. From the 30 hands i counted, if you dont count flips, which i think was about 8 and i won 5 lost 3, I got it in 63% or better in all but 2 times and won only 9. Im talking they had 2 and 3 outers. Its a little bit -EV but i know thats the way poker is. But most of the time the villans play was correct and if it wasnt I could at least understand what they were trying. Im just wondering if there are enough options and creative plays when 90% of the field has between 8 and 20bbs around the bubble stage. Im pretty good at building a stack early but then getting unlucky when hands start playing themselves late

 

Originally Posted by thearthurdog

10 is a tiny, little, statistically irrelevant sample though. You will need a little more volume to 'smooth things out'.

Yeah i realise this but the point I was making was the whole tournament itself seems to rely a lot on run good after a certain point which takes a lot of skill out of it. There is minimal 3 bet calling for example, so plays are reduced to push/fold as pgh said. I was hoping to be proved wrong and have everyone saying turbos are very profitable for a good player and run good matters exactly the same amount as in regular tourneys

Depends largely on the skill level of opponents, obv the faster structure games will be higher variance based on principle but if you're playing against idiots mainly they can be profitable. The 45 & 90 man ko turbo sngs from FT come to mind, the roi for top ranking players was smaller as the limits went up & the micro/low levels were soft, $48 & 76 not so. There is more of a regimented optimal strategy with less room for changing gears & making plays in turbos, & no room in hypers afaik.
I love to play fast structure mtts live because they're fun & easy over a decent sample, but since I'm in the US the remaining online options even at really small stakes play really solid for the most part I've found lately so there's not much motivation for me.

there's a skill advantage but there's lots of variance so you have to play heaps of them

I don't have time to play an mtt that would take all night to complete so I play pretty much just turbos mtts and 180s and do find them profitable and fun.

hi

 

Originally Posted by kevmode

I agree with this. There were some regs that played late night turbos but not as many as during the day obv.

I dont think the idea of this thread was knock someone for there success, I think OP was asking a question. Congrats to TLR for putting in the long hours and succeeding.

Because yours was the last one and therefore the easiest to quote, it goes for everyone who did the same.

I dont know what trolling bandwagon your on about maybe you have a chip on your shoulder

 

Originally Posted by Appst08

TLR is so much better than anybody at turbo's. It's more than just the fact he played the late night one's with regs. That has some effect on his roi/profit/etc but he does many things that regs don't apply to turbo's.

please elaborate on Francis' special techniques for turbo's that regs are oblivious too...

 

Originally Posted by kevmode

I agree with this. There were some regs that played late night turbos but not as many as during the day obv.

Ah crap, obviously I was wrong. I take back what I said.

 

Originally Posted by Ptrou

I dont think the idea of this thread was knock someone for there success, I think OP was asking a question. Congrats to TLR for putting in the long hours and succeeding.

If I could back 10 people in the world for turbo MTTs (and they all put in the same volume), TLR would probably be one of them. I don't really think I'm knocking him in any way, just being realistic. He played far more turbos than any other reg because he was constantly playing those 11 pm EST - 2 am turbos back in the day, while all the other regs were playing some time during the noon - 9 pm window.

 

Originally Posted by Got All Day

Heh. Im goin to change my name to Had All Day or maybe Have a Few Hours...

LOL.

 

Originally Posted by The Lab Rat

ive won EVERY single daly turbo or super turbo on ftp at least once

what bbbbbbb33 said. there are just so many people that are bad at the push fold. Variance is bigger but i never felt it since i ran like God in turbos. The main reasons why i played turbos a lot tho was because theyre less time consuming people, theyre less stressful, and dont take much thought process to play them. You can deffinitely make a lot of money if youre good at them if u master the push fold and learn how to run good.

That is all. Thread closed. The gospel from the man himself...

"learn how to run good" love this comment lol