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  1. nickb2876 nickb2876 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2011 (10/29/2011 11:00pm)

    what is considered a good roi?? 70 percent?? higher?
  2. socrates555 socrates555 is offline

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    Oct 29th, 2011 (10/29/2011 11:12pm) in reply to nickb2876

    if you r playing 100'000 sng @ 2k abi I d happy with a 0.5% ROI
     
  3. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Oct 30th, 2011 (10/30/2011 12:38am) in reply to socrates555

    don't obsess over your roi, just work on your game and go from there. also, you most likely don't have enough of a sample size to actually know your roi
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  4. Darkowa Darkowa is offline

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    Oct 30th, 2011 (10/30/2011 1:33am) in reply to unlukyduck82

    It takes like 10k games do get close to you're true roi and by that time your game has gotten better, moved up in stakes,...
    It's cool if it's high but it's not really super indicitive of skill level.
  5. djdoodoo djdoodoo is offline

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    Nov 1st, 2011 (11/1/2011 8:11pm) in reply to Darkowa

    It takes 10k games to get a statistically significant roi you mean and even then it's not that significant because there are too many variables constantly changing.
    Edited By: djdoodoo Nov 1st, 2011 at 08:11 PM
  6. double_kyan double_kyan is offline

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    Nov 1st, 2011 (11/1/2011 9:24pm) in reply to djdoodoo

    return on inventory is very important
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  7. haonhack haonhack is offline

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    Nov 1st, 2011 (11/1/2011 9:49pm) in reply to double_kyan

     
    Originally Posted by double_kyan View Post

    return on inventory is very important


    profit margin is absolutely important
  8. duffmancantread duffmancantread is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 6:35am) in reply to haonhack

    just go allin everytime u get AK and ur roi will be well over 100%
  9. RyJS RyJS is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 6:53am) in reply to duffmancantread

     
    Originally Posted by duffmancantread View Post

    just go allin everytime u get AK and ur roi will be well over 100%

    That doesn't really seem accurate.
  10. random.chu random.chu is offline The People's Troll

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 7:34am) in reply to RyJS

    GET DEH MANEYS
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  11. mjw006 mjw006 is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 8:25am) in reply to duffmancantread

     
    Originally Posted by duffmancantread View Post

    just go allin everytime u get AK and ur roi will be well over 100%

    I agree, with this. 40bb effective 3b shove it and balance by also doing it w/AA and you will profit huge in long run... Just make sure to only do this in turbos!
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  12. duffmancantread duffmancantread is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 9:42am) in reply to mjw006

    no need to balance... dey dont pay attention to dat kinda shiet min raise aa obv
  13. gjallen1975 gjallen1975 is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 10:11am) in reply to duffmancantread

    bout tree fiddy
  14. double_kyan double_kyan is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 8:08pm) in reply to gjallen1975

    flat all pp and raise all connectors ,bluffminraisemuck all 4b's
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  15. duffmancantread duffmancantread is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 10:48pm) in reply to double_kyan

    bunch of angry americans itt
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 2:59am) in reply to duffmancantread

     
    Originally Posted by duffmancantread View Post

    bunch of angry americans itt

    They have computers in afghanistan??
    Edited By: UNeed2Learn Nov 3rd, 2011 at 03:00 AM
  17. m_hawk_1 m_hawk_1 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:53am) in reply to mjw006

     
    Originally Posted by mjw006 View Post

    I agree, with this. 40bb effective 3b shove it and balance by also doing it w/AA and you will profit huge in long run... Just make sure to only do this in turbos!

    BBs don't matter in turbos.
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  18. random.chu random.chu is offline The People's Troll

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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 4:47am) in reply to m_hawk_1

    can we have an mjw v hawkins deathmatch please

    the tension is building to unsafe levels
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  19. indi227 indi227 is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 4:47pm) in reply to djdoodoo

     
    Originally Posted by djdoodoo View Post

    It takes 10k games to get a statistically significant roi you mean and even then it's not that significant because there are too many variables constantly changing.

    Can you explain how you came to this conclusion? Show me the math. I've heard this number before but does anyone know why or how this is an accurate ROI number?
     
  20. duffmancantread duffmancantread is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 5:47pm) in reply to indi227

    10k games is just a pretty, even number, and by then everyone gets the same hands/luck. The more sample size, the more accurate it will be as sample size approaches infinity.
  21. LiquidSw0rd LiquidSw0rd is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 6:43pm) in reply to duffmancantread

    even if you made 50$/game on 20k mtts, if you have to hold for the chiplead of the sunday millie when 12 left, just one card can change like 25% of you ROI for all of those 20k games!

    variance of big field mtts is insane. even on like 50k games i think we def wouldn't all have the same amount of luck.
     
  22. TheOverSeasScam TheOverSeasScam is offline

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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 8:47pm) in reply to LiquidSw0rd

    ROI is very important...Agreed you need a solid 8k plus sample size..IMO ROI is more important for STT players...Any realistic STT medium stakes players should be playing at least 15+ tables at once and showing 7-8%...When stars was still available I was able to show roughly that playing fifty50s playing 25-40 at once...Id recommend playing double or nothings or fifty50s for mass multi tabling purposes because your never really short handed and can maximize even a mediocre ROI...As far as higher limit STTs go its very difficult to show a decent ROI but a 1-2% ROI in a 200$ tourny isnt the worst thing in the world...Wasnt sure if you were referring to MTTs or STTs
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    Nov 4th, 2011 (11/4/2011 3:13am) in reply to Gags30

    Gags why is roi not that important over a 3000mtt sample?
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  24. C_Bomb C_Bomb is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2011 (11/4/2011 4:55am) in reply to allani12

     
    Originally Posted by allani12 View Post

    Gags why is roi not that important over a 3000mtt sample?

    Because by focusing on ROI you are missing an opportunity to improve parts of your game that will increase your ROI?
  25. supra1988t supra1988t is offline

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    Nov 4th, 2011 (11/4/2011 6:01am) in reply to C_Bomb

    The amount of games needed to find a true roi is totally dependent on the field sizes played. With that said, I doubt anyone has done any math to come up with these figures but they are based on experience.
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