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  1.  
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    george likes his kung pow


    GEORGE IS GETTIN UPSET!
     
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    Originally Posted by kevmode View Post

    So what are you basing this off sir? I don't owe anyone in the community a dime. I never screwed anyone over in a swap or transfer. Kevmode is an honest poker player who has never cheated or stole from a fellow poker player. So don't go an make comments about me like this when you don't know what the hell your talking about. Its fine you can think what you want of me but don't try to say that I am some scummy guy when I am not.

    This post upset me so I thought I would address it.

    ill take this one mario!

    probably cause your defense of will has been so fucking dumb. your entire stance lacks morals, logic, common sense, etc.
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    Originally Posted by bbbbb33 View Post

    ill take this one mario!

    probably cause your defense of will has been so fucking dumb. your entire stance lacks morals, logic, common sense, etc.

    From a lurker's point of view, that is well stated sir.
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    Originally Posted by random.chu View Post

    THIRD PERSON ALERT

    OH YES HE DID

    SNAPPPP

    I'm guessing he did that intentionally for future google searches on his name, doesn't stop the fact that kevmode is a real asshole in his forum posts though.
    Edited By: vil1ain Aug 17th, 2011 at 07:51 PM
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    Originally Posted by vil1ain View Post

    I'm guessing he did that intentionally for future google searches on his name, doesn't stop the fact that kevmode is a real asshole in his forum posts though.


    i always enjoy reading kevmode's posts. you never know what you are going to get. he also contributes to peoples questions. if i had the chance to meet him, in a public place, i would.
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    Originally Posted by kevmode View Post

    So what are you basing this off sir? I don't owe anyone in the community a dime. I never screwed anyone over in a swap or transfer. Kevmode is an honest poker player who has never cheated or stole from a fellow poker player. So don't go an make comments about me like this when you don't know what the hell your talking about. Its fine you can think what you want of me but don't try to say that I am some scummy guy when I am not.

    This post upset me so I thought I would address it.

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    Originally Posted by vil1ain View Post

    I'm guessing he did that intentionally for future google searches on his name, doesn't stop the fact that kevmode is a real asshole in his forum posts though.

    Nah he's not an asshole. Just seems kind of ignorant to a lot of worldly issues.
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  8. I've known Will for several years. I have done many large money transactions/swaps with him and he has always come through. I'm owed 5% of this stake and I'm not worried about it. I would invest in him again and again because of his poker skills and the past history I have with him. He messed up, things happen, ect. Someone who has always had a good rep in the poker community messes up and then makes a post on how he is going to fix it, we should not be stressing about. As for FullTilt Poker ever paying us our money that is another story! How is everyone stuck on this when there should be a huge thread on where our fulltilt money is!?!? Perhaps we should go the the "Pro's" sponsored by the site who are still in the states and demand some of our money back from their endorsements?
     
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  9. We would likely all love to demand our money from them but that I am assuming would fall on deaf ears for sure.
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    Originally Posted by PremiumStud View Post

    I've known Will for several years. I have done many large money transactions/swaps with him and he has always come through. I'm owed 5% of this stake and I'm not worried about it. I would invest in him again and again because of his poker skills and the past history I have with him. He messed up, things happen, ect. Someone who has always had a good rep in the poker community messes up and then makes a post on how he is going to fix it, we should not be stressing about. As for FullTilt Poker ever paying us our money that is another story! How is everyone stuck on this when there should be a huge thread on where our fulltilt money is!?!? Perhaps we should go the the "Pro's" sponsored by the site who are still in the states and demand some of our money back from their endorsements?

    Stud - As long as he makes constant updates even if he doesn't have much to say, I can see your point. I won't be staking him again, as people that take stake money for personal use aren't the type of people I would stake, but then again, my staking days are mostly behind me because I don't like dealing with situations like this. I did try getting in touch with him before making this thread, it just seems many people in this stake were left out with no info when there were many ways including posting in his stakee thread to update people. I am not stressing over the 1% I am owed, but do feel that communication was bad. Hopefully this changes and we get an update again soon even if there is nothing new to update just to keep people informed. Feel free to buy my debt here if you think this is really a non-issue that payment hasn't been made in over a month, and the only reason why Will told a few of us about the stake was because this thread.

    Also I don't see how this relates at all to the FTP situation.
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Aug 19th, 2011 at 11:50 PM
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    Originally Posted by PremiumStud View Post

    Perhaps we should go the the "Pro's" sponsored by the site who are still in the states and demand some of our money back from their endorsements? [/B]

    i am also amazed that this hasnt been talked about more...sorry to thread hijack but am i the only 1 that feels like these ftp pro's should atleast be held partly reponsible for the $$ ftp owes us?? i mean in some way they were kinda paid with our $$ that we are yet to see. not to even mention all the large loans that were given to sum of the pros as we saw in the recent article about ivey and benyamine.
    again wacky sorry to hijack, i know i should start a separate thread on this and mayb i will l8r. just dont feel like hearing any flames atm.../rant
     
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    Originally Posted by get-raised21 View Post

    i am also amazed that this hasnt been talked about more...sorry to thread hijack but am i the only 1 that feels like these ftp pro's should atleast be held partly reponsible for the $$ ftp owes us?? i mean in some way they were kinda paid with our $$ that we are yet to see. not to even mention all the large loans that were given to sum of the pros as we saw in the recent article about ivey and benyamine.
    again wacky sorry to hijack, i know i should start a separate thread on this and mayb i will l8r. just dont feel like hearing any flames atm.../rant

    Yeah - interesting debate, would make for a good topic. I don't hold the typical FTP pro (or UB pro) responsible, unless they were making statements on how safe it was to play there and unless they had some ownership in the site itself and weren't just wearing a patch.
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  13. i mean i guess it is a bit like going after a blackjack dealer at a casino that closed/went bankrupt when you had 10k in a lockbox lol but still seems somewhat reasonable to me.

    like if they were paid from revenue that was generated from players that were more or less stolen from i really dont think it is all that crazy tbh. esp considering all the loans and tounrey buy-ins tht players rec'vd from ftp. i remember reading that benyamine was able to cashout from the US post b/f and was even heard on the phone in a vegas casino asking some1 from ftp where he needed to go to get his tourney buyins this summer and that really makes me mad..like really?? they can pay out $$ to sum millionaire and give him tourney buyins for 10k's n shit but i can get my measly 6k??

    fml and better yet fuck ftp. ugh /rant for real this time lol
     
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    Originally Posted by get-raised21 View Post

    i mean i guess it is a bit like going after a blackjack dealer at a casino that closed/went bankrupt when you had 10k in a lockbox lol but still seems somewhat reasonable to me.

    like if they were paid from revenue that was generated from players that were more or less stolen from i really dont think it is all that crazy tbh. esp considering all the loans and tounrey buy-ins tht players rec'vd from ftp. i remember reading that benyamine was able to cashout from the US post b/f and was even heard on the phone in a vegas casino asking some1 from ftp where he needed to go to get his tourney buyins this summer and that really makes me mad..like really?? they can pay out $$ to sum millionaire and give him tourney buyins for 10k's n shit but i can get my measly 6k??

    fml and better yet fuck ftp. ugh /rant for real this time lol

    Its possible that Benyamine did what any other poker player could have done at that point, and moved out of the country temporarily for purposes of cashing out. He is a citizen of France, so for him to do this is easier than for the average person that has to establish residency in a country outside the US. If Benyamine didn't leave the country to cashout, then I fully agree with you. F FTP for sure either way. But 2 wrongs don't make a right, and just because FTP fucked over so many people, it doesn't make Will being wrong here OK just because less people were involved. Its 2 different things entirely, and to get back to PremiumStud's post, I'm not sure where the comparison between a site going down and someone rolling and not communicating on a stake.
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Aug 20th, 2011 at 12:28 AM
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  15. &#(*)$(##Q$(). THE $*#^#(^ DOJ has OUR money and not FTP. THATS THE PROBLEM. IF WE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FTP AND START LOBBYING TO OUR SHAM GOVERNMENT WE MIGHT GET OUR MONEY BACK
     
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  16. ya my bad i should have made clear that i in no way was defending what will did, was just going off on a sidenote. sorry for the hijack and i went ahead n made a separate thread if any1 wants to discuss

     
    Originally Posted by Steve Murkle View Post

    &#(*)$(##Q$(). THE $*#^#(^ DOJ has OUR money and not FTP. THATS THE PROBLEM. IF WE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FTP AND START LOBBYING TO OUR SHAM GOVERNMENT WE MIGHT GET OUR MONEY BACK

    we are talking about the same ftp that continued to cram FTOPS, MET's, and rush down our throats all along knowing good and well that if something like b/f happened the players would b screwed. i mean stars paid us weeks later and the DOJ stuck it to them just as hard. im sorry but to say ftp isnt atleast partly responsible is just not true imo. def not saying the gov't didnt fuck us pretty hard as well but that a whole other can of worms.

    again wacky sorry for the hijack and i hope you and every1 else gets paid in full asap. feel free to move these last couple posts to the thread i just started. and if you dont like what im saying blame merge and bodog only running enuf mtt's for me to 4-10 table all damn day causing me to b bored to death and giving me time to whine about ftp... god plz tell me i dont sound as bad as kevmode haha jk
     
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  17. You are correct. What Will did was not right. To relate to FTP at least Will did make a statement saying we will get paid. I am 100% confident we will see money from Will but with FTP I do not have that confidence. Also, on this statement by you " Feel free to buy my debt here if you think this is really a non-issue that payment hasn't been made in over a month, and the only reason why Will told a few of us about the stake was because this thread." Here is my offer for that. I will buy the 1% off you but only with the money I have on FTP. If FTP pays before Will then I will insta send you that money. Otherwise if FTP screws us and does not pay then you lose. Do you wish to make this swap with me sir?
     
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  18. No worries about the hijack, especially since you didn't start it, and both me and you continued it. I posted in your new thread about Durrr's potentially contributing $1m towards FTP payouts when its >90% likely payment won't occur.

     
    Originally Posted by PremiumStud View Post

    I will buy the 1% off you but only with the money I have on FTP. If FTP pays before Will then I will insta send you that money. Otherwise if FTP screws us and does not pay then you lose. Do you wish to make this swap with me sir?

    Well played ;) Thanks for the clarification though on your original post. When you put it that way, I like my collect-ability options better with Will than FTP :)
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Aug 20th, 2011 at 01:23 AM
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  19. Statements are basically empty promises until some action starts happening. I raised many many questions earlier and didn't get a response to many of them. I asked for the results this summer and gave Will my email address and never got the file. I had to get it from another investor. He hasn't been seen in this thread since.

    At this point, it's essentially the same as FTP....they made a statement saying everyone's money was safe and would be returned right after BF too.

    Of course its more likely that Will pays out quicker then FTP because Will is a heckuva poker player, doesn't owe quite as much, and isn't under indictment by the DOJ. That's really not saying much.
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  20. I felt like I needed to post in this thread. It really tilted me seeing his response in this thread. A friend of mine introduced me to imahustla1 this year at the WSOP. I played craps with him and I also played blackjack with him and he seemed like a cool guy. For him to say that he never played the tables is an absolute joke. Even though I didn't play with him very long or for very much, he definitely played these table games and lost. Also, he spent a lot of time playing sng's, which I assume had nothing to do with this stake. For the people saying that he is going to get the money back, I would like to know how? What is his new source of income now that he can return a significant amount of money in a short period of time? His lack of communication has me seriously worried for the investors since it seems like most of his money was lost in other vegas expenses. I hope this helps some of the investors even though I am sure this is not what ya'll want ot here
     
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    Originally Posted by lee118 View Post

    I felt like I needed to post in this thread. It really tilted me seeing his response in this thread. A friend of mine introduced me to imahustla1 this year at the WSOP. I played craps with him and I also played blackjack with him and he seemed like a cool guy. For him to say that he never played the tables is an absolute joke. Even though I didn't play with him very long or for very much, he definitely played these table games and lost. Also, he spent a lot of time playing sng's, which I assume had nothing to do with this stake. For the people saying that he is going to get the money back, I would like to know how? What is his new source of income now that he can return a significant amount of money in a short period of time? His lack of communication has me seriously worried for the investors since it seems like most of his money was lost in other vegas expenses. I hope this helps some of the investors even though I am sure this is not what ya'll want ot here

    Thanks for posting Lee, hopefully Will will come on to answer back since you do refute the part about betting on casino games during the series.
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    Originally Posted by kevmode View Post

    So what are you basing this off sir? I don't owe anyone in the community a dime. I never screwed anyone over in a swap or transfer. Kevmode is an honest poker player who has never cheated or stole from a fellow poker player. So don't go an make comments about me like this when you don't know what the hell your talking about. Its fine you can think what you want of me but don't try to say that I am some scummy guy when I am not.

    This post upset me so I thought I would address it.

    why do u refer to urself in 3rd person?
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    Originally Posted by ShyGuy03533 View Post

    why do u refer to urself in 3rd person?


    heres a hint....starts with douche ends with a bag
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  24. Ya Will screwed us. He spent all the stake money before the Main and then split town without paying. Isaac Haxton and I are the two people owed the most money. I have been getting periodic updates from Will but nothing significant has happened since he left Vegas. When/if I get my money back I will post in this thread. Oh, and if vouching meant you were personally financially responsible for a person defaulting on a commitment ,no one would ever vouch as this would just put the person doing the vouching in a position to get free-rolled with nothing to gain. That said, I feel bad for saying Will is trustworthy when he is obviously not. My sincere apologies to anyone who invested as a result of my perception of his character.
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  25. Definitely do not feel anyone else is to blame here but Will unfortunately. The spending of the money is bad obviously whether that was for table games, living expenses, hookers, blow, etc. The failure to say what happened and update all investors was worse. The biggest necessity in any backing relationship is communication and honesty. Backers know we sometimes lose but we lose the money on what it was intended for. When we bink good for them they took a significant risk in most cases. If you somehow fuck up and the money is not there which should never happen please man up and just be honest from the start.
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  26.  
    Originally Posted by ryan beckwith View Post

    Definitely do not feel anyone else is to blame here but Will unfortunately. The spending of the money is bad obviously whether that was for table games, living expenses, hookers, blow, etc. The failure to say what happened and update all investors was worse. The biggest necessity in any backing relationship is communication and honesty. Backers know we sometimes lose but we lose the money on what it was intended for. When we bink good for them they took a significant risk in most cases. If you somehow fuck up and the money is not there which should never happen please man up and just be honest from the start.

    Pretty much this. I know our community puts a lot into reputation and if something like this ever does happen, the way to save your reputation or even have a chance of rebuilding is just by being upfront with what happened. I don't know Will at all but have played with him and he has a lot of talent but it's stuff like this that can really dampen someones bright future
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    Originally Posted by Doc Sands View Post

    Ya Will screwed us. He spent all the stake money before the Main and then split town without paying. Isaac Haxton and I are the two people owed the most money. I have been getting periodic updates from Will but nothing significant has happened since he left Vegas. When/if I get my money back I will post in this thread. Oh, and if vouching meant you were personally financially responsible for a person defaulting on a commitment ,no one would ever vouch as this would just put the person doing the vouching in a position to get free-rolled with nothing to gain. That said, I feel bad for saying Will is trustworthy when he is obviously not. My sincere apologies to anyone who invested as a result of my perception of his character.

    Thanks for the post Doc. There was a side bar about what vouching means, but it never pertained to what it meant in this stake. No-one that invested is holding anyone but Will responsible for the rolling that occurred.
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  28. [QUOTE=kevmode;6452583]1. Will is better at poker then almost everyone who has replied in this thread. Wills stats are incredible and he really knows how to get the job done late in mtts with his agro style of play.
    2. I have never been scammed or cheated by Will in any swapping, staking or backing we have exchanged with each other. We have done numerous large transfers with no problems online. Everytime Will and I swapped action for the day he was honest and payed me what he owed at the end of the day.
    3. I trust Will and will continue to back and swap with Will in the future.
    4. I am confident that Will is going to pay back everyone he owes at some point.
    5. His lack of communication with someone who only had 1% of his action and decided to out him in a public forum instead of handling it privately does not mean he is a great person. There were other ways to go about this instead of trying to trash Will on pocket fives because he hadn't contacted you about your 1%.
    6. Will isn't going any were in poker and will continue to beast the games in the future.
    7. I met Will and lived with him for a short period in Vegas and he was an honest guy who never tried to hustle me or use me.
    7. I met Will and lived with him for a short period in Vegas and he was an honest guy who never tried to hustle me or use me.
    7. I met Will and lived with him for a short period in Vegas and he was an honest guy who never tried to hustle me or use me.
    7. I met Will and lived with him for a short period in Vegas and he was an honest guy who never tried to hustle me or use me.
    7. I met Will and lived with him for a short period in Vegas and he was an honest guy who never tried to hustle me or use me.

    ummmm you do know his user name is imahustla right? nuff said

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    [ ] similar situation to Will's

    kevmode...i always knew that a lot of people on these boards hated you and said bad things about you, but i never knew why...i think i get it now.

    your post is possibly the single dumbest post i've ever read in the history of p5's...and that's saying quite a bit

    98% of the things you said are completely irrelevant, and are you just saying the same thing in different words or how you want to suck will's dick. lastly...the fact that he didn't tell 'someone that had 1%' what happened definitely is a big deal. what else is a huge deal is that he fucked up the whole package from the start and had no money so used his buyin money for other buyins or other stuff or whatever the fuck he did. come on man, you're just acting so ungodly biased cause you're his buddy.

    Pretty much 100 percent spot on.
    haters gon hate.
    Edited By: Tokyo09 Aug 29th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
     
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  29. I was the last person to stake Will. It started with a quick grand at a 3-5 table - then he told me where he was, and i took at shot with him to get him into the main. (Knowing that it might be a long while until it returned. Probably bad business, but I did it because I like him a great deal.

    When I was dealing with him, he was definitely on-tilt. Bad beat stories by the dozens - and i think Will can beat 2-5 live - but on tilt everybody will lose.

    He is very addict-y and very tilty. His behavior during those weeks was on tilt - with one horrible shaming loss, leading to more shame, leading to more tilt and more losses. As an ex Wall Street guy, I've seen this happen to the tune of billions (Barings) - the worse it gets, the more you hide, the more guilt, the more tilt, rinse and repeat.

    I've got him an excellent mindset coach psychologist (who I will arrange for free for him under Healthy Poker) Until he gets his head right, he could be better than Ivey and Dwan together and still lose.

    I'm only stuck 3k - but as a buddy of his - I'm less worried about the 3k - and more about getting him off 'life-tilt'. The 3k will take care of itself.

    As a former junkie/ alkie I have some compassion for him... if he straightens out, he is a good member of the community. But that may be a big fckn if unless he gets some help.
     
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  30. I've spoke to will in the past few days

    Basically, from what I've gathered, he's genuinely apologetic for what's transpired, I def do not think this was his intention (I spent a lot of time b4 the summer gettin to know Will n I hung out with him during the summer, I'd actually even go as far as to say he's one of the guys I liked the most and got along with the most). From what I gathered, he made a huge blunder by not charging markup correctly, collected an insufficient amount of funds for his event, then tried to cover that by playing sng's/smaller MTTs to try n use that $ to for the package. Unfortunately, that didn't go too well either.

    But, fwiw, he definitely was not trying to hide that he fk'd up or that he had to pay people back. He said he was working on getting this IRL job and paying everyone their share. So, hopefully, in time, he'll make this right, as I'm 100% positive that he didn't set out with the intentions to roll anyone.

    Hope this helps, gl all.
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