I am glad he is in touch with people about feeling bad, but his mark-up was probably the highest of anyone on the boards, and I wound up actually paying over the mark-up amount due to a mistake that I imagine when this is made right I will be refunded for (only $40). It didn't sound like he needed much of his own funds to cover over $70K worth of tourneys from how much he sold and how much was marked up. It just sounds like it was one fuck-up then compounded by many others, and then poor communication. I am glad he does feel bad about what happened and wants to pay everyone back what is owed to them and hope he will be communicating better with all the backers. Just takes posting in here once in awhile or emailing all the backers in a group email about where we stand periodically.

thanks man... it would have to be some IRL job if we are talking about the sums i imagine we are...
i mean how fast to most IRL jobs generate 10k in surplus over standing requirements

not so fast!

i believe the way for Will is back into poker - but with these lessson seared in his fucking brain!!!

Afterall, he is tremendously talented - and with the right disclipline, he could be one of the best MTT players in the world.
His friends need to get him back into the game.
And he needs coaching on the issues that got him here - otherwise the future is dim for him and for our dough.

 

Originally Posted by pokerproplaya08

I've spoke to will in the past few days

Basically, from what I've gathered, he's genuinely apologetic for what's transpired, I def do not think this was his intention (I spent a lot of time b4 the summer gettin to know Will n I hung out with him during the summer, I'd actually even go as far as to say he's one of the guys I liked the most and got along with the most). From what I gathered, he made a huge blunder by not charging markup correctly, collected an insufficient amount of funds for his event, then tried to cover that by playing sng's/smaller MTTs to try n use that $ to for the package. Unfortunately, that didn't go too well either.

But, fwiw, he definitely was not trying to hide that he fk'd up or that he had to pay people back. He said he was working on getting this IRL job and paying everyone their share. So, hopefully, in time, he'll make this right, as I'm 100% positive that he didn't set out with the intentions to roll anyone.

Hope this helps, gl all.

Zo, your the man, but I cant help to disagree with this post more. How could he not have charged mark up correctly? I understand he was extremely plusEV in this tournies but he 1.25 is semi fair considering how late it was and the huge volume he planned on playing. How can you say that he is not trying to hide that he fucked up? He didn't respond until well after this thread was made and several people had contacted him personally, and also his 1 response was just giving the absolute minimum. Also, I think updates fairly often would make the investors feel a little more comfortable about the return of their funds. I would just love to know what IRL job he has, that he can pay the bills and return the 35k or so that is owed to the investors. I couldn't agree with what Gboro said more. He is right on with his thoughts and concerns with this thread.

 

Originally Posted by lee118

Zo, your the man, but I cant help to disagree with this post more. How could he not have charged mark up correctly? I understand he was extremely plusEV in this tournies but he 1.25 is semi fair considering how late it was and the huge volume he planned on playing. How can you say that he is not trying to hide that he fucked up? He didn't respond until well after this thread was made and several people had contacted him personally, and also his 1 response was just giving the absolute minimum. Also, I think updates fairly often would make the investors feel a little more comfortable about the return of their funds. I would just love to know what IRL job he has, that he can pay the bills and return the 35k or so that is owed to the investors. I couldn't agree with what Gboro said more. He is right on with his thoughts and concerns with this thread.

Lee, I don't think you get what I was saying. Basically, from what I gathered, he sold it at 1.25, but collected money as if he had sold without markup for some of the bigger buyers (this is speculation on my end, but its based upon stuff he's told me, so I'm assuming this is how he fucked up and had such a large discrepency in what he was supposed to have and what he actually did have).

I'm not agree'ing with anything he's done, I think he's taken the worst line in this fiasco, but, again, I truely feel like he wasn't out there to try and scam people. I think things got all messed up, he didn't know how to handle it and he kinda just disappeared b/c he didn't know what else to do.

Hopefully he gets everything squared up and pays everyone off.

oh bef99, I agree, a IRL job is a grind (i know this all too well, I've spent the better part of the past decade workin 6-7 days a week @ an IRL job prior to poker), but, if it can get Will a few hundred a month for him to pay off his investors, then its better than nothing.

 

Originally Posted by wackyJaxon

playa it was @ 1.3. As we talked about privately though, I take no offense to what you are saying. If I understood you correctly, you don't agree with how he handled things, but think he has backbone to take his debts seriously.

coo, like I said, I just don't think it was deliberately planned out by Will to just roll people. I think something happened, a mistake was made, then 13 others that compounded that mistake and made it even worse.

Unfortunately, its a shitty situation and we can only really hope he takes care of this, but, imo, I'd rather be positive and hope he comes through as opposed to writing it off and assuming it's GG'd and that he's a pos scumbag.

 

Originally Posted by lee118

I agree that it wasn't deliberately thought out as a scam, but that is besides the point. If you are playing things that you are not suppose to be playing without the roll to do it, you are asking for bad things to happen. How can the investors be positive and not assume it is GG? He posted one response a long time ago (which he said the bare minimum), and hasn't responded since and has given no payment plan or the best plan on dealing with this. Instead, he is just hoping that everybody forgets about this and just this blows over (this is the only thing I can assume), since he has no interest of giving an update on this thread.

agree, its besides the point, it happened, now he has to take care of it. Just from what I've spoken to him though in the past few months, from what I gather, his reputation def means somethin to Will so I think he'll get to paying, it may not happen tomorrow (hopefully, everyone is realistic enough to realize if $35k is the total amt due, he won't have it tomorrow) but I feel it will happen. But I feel what you're saying though, he hasn't really put as much effort in notifying investors and putting forth a plan as he should. hell, I've responded in his defense as has Kevmode more than he has, but, I still feel he's going to make things right. Hopefully time doesn't prove me wrong

Also not thrilled there has been no further commication from Will since about a month ago when he posted and also emailed me. I will have to follow-up with an email, but figured he would periodically update us privately as to what is going on if anything.

 

Originally Posted by Dinero

Im just a "lurker" reading a few pages on this thread to see how things work around here and it seems based on this thread that "Will" is a great poker player with poor moral etiquette. If he was such an honest person he should've just came out and told investors no matter what percentage they hold the truth. Example, "the money was short because of miscalculations, i tried making ends meet by gambling in casino games which just made me deeper in the hole, then i got depressed and blew the rest on blow and strippers. Whatever his story is, the only thing i havent seen no one disagree with in 3 pages of reading was that he is a great poker player. So in my opinion, the fastest way for all investors to see there money is to stake him again in a cash game setting, cause lets be honest, is hard saving 30k even if you have a job that pays 100k a year.

well hello imahustla1!!!

 

Originally Posted by clemsonrich

well hello imahustla1!!!

lmao HAHAHAHAHA busted

Says potential scammed, and no-one has been paid anything with the WSOP being over a few months already. There are different stories as to what happened as well. I and others involved do feel scammed and mislead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFDUOfRXP_k <------------more like this from what I read

Update or lack there of. I emailed Will a few days ago, no response. In fact there has been no response since he wrote in this thread and emailed me 3 days after this thread was created. Its been now 3 months since the WSOP ended and no communication is still going on.

I heard from a source that he has been seen playing in the HPT. I could only hope its not with money that is meant to be paid back to us and a stake to help him get his money, but no communication makes me think the worse.

 

Originally Posted by M@d@M@d@D@ne

Hey, so I just stumbled upon this thread when I was just about to send a pm to PremiumStud asking if he's been in contact with Will Givens and such. I backed him for a week or two before Black Friday. I'm guessing not many people know.

I sent him a total of 10k between Ps/Ftp and he had 8k left on Ps and refused to cash it out for "tax reasons". Won't elaborate on that. He said he would owe me this amount but has not contacted me since except for one time when he tried to get me to stake him for the Wsop...lol.

I didn't read a ton into this thread but looks like he just got his scam on and I shouldn't hold my breathe in getting repaid.

-M@D@M@D@D@ne

P.s.Pretty good chance he just cashed out the 8k and rolled me instead of not willing to cash it out due to "tax reasons". Ppl who get scammed really need to be more active in the community and warn others. For that I apologize to all you guys. In my defense, I did back close to 30 players at one point but it really isn't all that tough to post a random thread about this obv.

Wow, this looks horrible. Hopefully its not as bad as it seems, but it probably is.

man "vouching" is totally getting a bum wrap up in here

what a scumbag, black friday screwed alot of ppl, this pos lessened its impact on himself by making it even worse on others who trusted him.

 

Originally Posted by boneralert

More like William Takens

I like this one.