Originally Posted by Deoxyribo

yes i would.
taking money away for playing underage in wrong imo
just freeze til they come of age

this

PS will do a much more thorough investigation i would think to find out who played. i would think that anyone in poker could pretty easily decipher if someone actually played in a tourny or is pretending they did. they can also ask about other tournys, etc. the evidence will be much more extensive than what is stated in the article.

unfortunately i don't see how u can let the kid keep the $ or lock his acct and give it to him at 18. i don't really blame him for playing underage and don't really consider him a cheater. but u just can't set the precedent that anybody who plays underage and is caught will have acct locked and then just get the $ when they turn 18.

you are basically then saying that there is no age limit to play, and simply an age limit to get ur cash. i wouldnt really care if they now changed the rules for diff ages, but they wont bc it will be bad PR for future attempts to be legit in the US. also while it is impressive that this kid won that $, if PS were to allow him to keep it, they would be then basically saying they dont care about the other stories of 17 yr olds that don't win.

i feel bad for the kid, its an awful situation, but it is just not in PS' best interest to allow him to keep it. they lose all credibility.

 

Originally Posted by Asylum1987

also, my parents would lie for that amount of money. and cut the bullshit aboout ethics, 500k is life changing money for most of the world. think about morgage/school/bills.
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this is exactly what ethics is. obv everyone has ethics when its easy, its true ethics when its hard.

Of course the kid shouldn't get the money. 1) Not his account(i think). 2) Underage. The rules must be followed.

The question of what to do with the money is another issue. I think the money should be put into a pool of money taken from players who break the rules and win. That pool should go to buying seats into the next World Series ME in a $100 satelite.

 

Originally Posted by bonflizubi

This is the most interesting ethical question of all.

Anyone saying they wouldnt is a liar!

 

Originally Posted by jokerswild

If this was a casino and was a jackpot it would be instaban and no payout. Rules are rules follow them.

But its not u fail

 

Originally Posted by bonflizubi

This is the most interesting ethical question of all.

If ur don't ur doing it wrong. 20k I understand 500k totally diff if they didn't lie for me I wouldn't talk to them. Maybe im in the wrong for that

Deox I don't agree with a lot of ur points but uve never been more spot on. Thoses saying drinking vodka and this and that are so blind. Kid won big deal 500$ or 500k it dosent matter. I played when I was 15, nothing more then a few 10$ sngs but w/e. Bring on the haters that can't win at this game and only wish they could make this money. He deserves this, won it on his own from what I've read and if half the trolls on this site wernt scum bag losers they'd understand this

 

Originally Posted by YOMAXX

Did not read through this cluster #$%^ of a thread... I will say, I can almost guarantee that at least 30% of that field on Sunday, were underage players. Come on guys, this kid just happened to get caught and that is why it is a big deal (which it should be) and he should be punished for it. I am going to take a guess and say that at least 50% of on line poker players are underage, no facts, just a guess.

It's unfortunate, I think instances like this will be looked at deeply whenever a bill to pass on line poker is proposed to congress. Between multi account players, ghosting, underage play, etc.

And LOL for picking up the phone and answering any questions before the mulla is in your bank account, you deserve to get caught if you are that dumb.

If it were possible to ever prove/disprove that bolded statement, I'd bet any amount of money that it's not even close to 50%

 

Originally Posted by rocksolid124

If it were possible to ever prove/disprove that bolded statement, I'd bet any amount of money that it's not even close to 50%

You forgot to bold the part where i said "I am going to take a guess" and what facts do you have that it is not 50%?

 

Originally Posted by njw11

Man I hate being mean, rude, w/e but this is why people make money at poker. 50% of players are underage? Explain why and how this is ur guess please. 2004 maybe now, no way

Id bet my net worth its not even close to 10 people are just clueless. Sometimes I type out a response, look at it and realize I have no idea what im talking about so I don't post. For others its like their brains don't work

I guess you are the same guy that thinks no one has multi accounts anymore, hmmmmm.... They must have only had multi accounts in 2004. Yes because there are no kids in the entire WORLD (not just the USA) that play underage. I can name about 20 kids I know from NY, that I have come in to contact with, that are all between the ages of 13-17 that play poker under their brother/sister/friend/relative account. Sooooo ummmmmm yeahhhhh....

 

Originally Posted by bonflizubi

so if a cop catches you at 16 drinking from a liter bottle of vodka, they should put it in the fridge for you until you turn 21?

just wanted to quote this

does explicitly say in the tournament rules that a player will lose all their funds if found playing underage? or can the rules be interpreted on a case by case basis?

If it states the funds will be confiscated then well he knew what he was getting into.
He either ghosted, MAed or was under aged. There probably isnt enough evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that he was cheating tho.

Just b/c a lot of people dont follow the rules and are able to get away with it doesnt mean we stop prosecuting them.

If they can prove without any doubt whatsoever that he cheated, it states in the rules that 100% of winnings will be confiscated then I guess they have no choice but to take it. that would be brutal but he should use better judgment. We all know when we sign up it asks if ur 18 so we all know what were getting into.

If its not explicit in their rules that 100% of money will be taken away they can give him like a 1yr ban and a fine on his winnings.

 

Originally Posted by Deoxyribo

just wanted to quote this

what's the difference deox? Why should they confiscate booze - and lets say you had 4 cartons of vodka in your car to make it a more serious offense - But online winnings are held for you?

plz explain the difference. Both are cases of obtaining something below the legal age to do so. (and i consider an age laid out in a TOS to be the *legal age*)

seriously- a real reply, not just a mocking quote?

 

Originally Posted by njw11

he should def be able to keep it. others have done this and be able to keep it. haters gonna hate imo

grats kiddo

Yes I'm the one who is clueless. It's players like you who condone such actions and brush it off with "semi retarded" comments like above, that give online poker a bad reputation. Off to bed, night night :)

god i love u andre ( no homo) and to bon- why are u comparing this to something u can get arrested for... being that its even the smallest infraction. if he turned 18 at midnight that night but started the tourny when he was only 17 would u want to steal his money ? if so somethings wrong with ur head. either way it dosent matter. i know ur a law/ rule abiding citizen but get off ur high horse. what are u even trying to defend here> im not sure i understand. if ur sad u didn't win thats one thing. i am and ill admit it. but just because hes 17 and one day hes better then 99.9 % of the field then good for him

ill say it once again 90% of people in this thread are terrible at poker, keep trying maybe ulll get better but doubtful. sry for being harsh but its the truth. and speaking about somthing u dont know or dont do for a living is just dumb(id never give my opinion in a teachers thread. but thats because im terrible about that and have no idea... just like the players with 5k in cashes. it dosent make much sense. just because ive taught someone to make a grilled cheese dosent mean im a chef.. understand?) o and smd

 

Originally Posted by YOMAXX

Yes I'm the one who is clueless. It's players like you who condone such actions and brush it off with "semi retarded" comments like above, that give online poker a bad reputation. Off to bed, night night :)

ur not a player and never will be. sry but its true. u shouldn't be on a poker forum and smd is directed only towards u. dont hate ur life because ur prob 30 and can only dream of 500k. also i do this for a living, if nething ud think id be the pissed one but im not. ud think im the one getting screwed out of money seeing as i cashed in this tourny. but i dont want more $, i dont want him to die ect. im glad he did this really. im glad u stink and think ur right about this

also id like to add that maing is dirty and i hope everyone who does it gets their money taken but being 17 and getting a score is totally different... if someone i respect as a poker player or person for that matter wants to come explain it differently to be be my guest but im done explaining myself to clueless people

 

Originally Posted by NewMike

To the people who say people are just haters if they don't think the kid should get the money, you're incredibly ignorant.

Good luck getting poker legalized when poker sites don't care if minors play. Letting this kid keep the money, if they prove it was him, will set poker back years, some of you kids don't seem to get that.

And yes there is other underage kids playing and they don't get caught, but if they got caught they would get punished, even if they only have $100 profit. And you sound like a 10 year old when you think it's okay because other people do it. Seriously, for anyone past puberty to make a comment like that is pretty pathetic.

ok i get ur point but im only saying this because the sites let them keep the money, not because they just got away with it. and no i dont want poker to be different then it is now. yes pay ur taxes and its fine. the new sites are just greedy american companies trying to ruin poker imo

 

Originally Posted by andressoprano

If in order to get poker legalized I'd have to give up my ideas, I'd raher not having it legalized. We should fight and defend what we think is right, regardless of what the other side considers "morally appropriate". People who opposes poker would like it to be completely illegal in all ways, but fortunately there are way too many players and supporters, so they can't do that. The underage debate is just one of the many excuses they have, but underage players were not an issue 50 years ago, and poker opponents were the same ones...they just had different excuses.

If we think that poker is a game of skill, and those skills have been achieved through hard work and dedication in most cases, or natural talent in others, why should we deny a young player access to the game? Who has ever provided evidence that those skills are bad for you to have? Am I more likely to assassinate people because I know how to calculate pot odds? Would my daugther be more prong to be addicted to heroin if she was good at poker? Give me a fucking break!

Copy/pasted form the US department of labor ( http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/youthla...quirements.htm ) : As a general rule, the FLSA sets 14 years of age as the minimum age for employment, and limits the number of hours worked by minors under the age of 16.

Now I would like to hear why I can be a professional poker player, but my 14 years old neighbor can't.

i love u even more... going to bed but pm me sometime if u want to have a good convo about this or nething for that matter