I know anyone can sue anyone for dang near anything but does anyone know of any suits filed against the DOJ or other on behalf of PS or us as players who want to play at PS?

Any lawyers out there on P5 that know how to file all the papers to launch such a suit and willing to do it for the fun of it?

I've been waiting my whole life to hear someone use the word 'dang' in a sentence and mean it.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

 

Originally Posted by Adam

- something you should do if a huge amount of money (read: several million or more) is on the line and there's no way to come to agreement.

Also, I'm pretty sure there's no law that says you have the right to play poker. We'd all like to be able to play, but thinking that somehow you have the right to is a bit wishful :)

So......several hundred million does not qualify?

No law that says I have the right to play poker?.......sorry, I didn't see the law that said I could not play poker! Please point me to where I would find this law.

 

Originally Posted by Diver1

So......several hundred million does not qualify?

No law that says I have the right to play poker?.......sorry, I didn't see the law that said I could not play poker! Please point me to where I would find this law.

there doesn't have to be a law saying that you can't play poker for the DOJ to ask sites to leave the US market.

the sites did not have to comply and could have kept serving US customers, but chose to leave because they thought it would be best to cooperate, since they were breaking the law by doing other things

 

Originally Posted by Diver1

I'm no lawyer, i'm just some jackass poker player that believes our government is taking away our freedoms.

I couldn't agree with you more that the US government has unnecessarily restricted people's ability to play online poker. But Black Friday wasn't an event of the government taking away your freedoms. That happened long before then. Black Friday just made it much more difficult and risky - and showed the consequences - to break the law.

 

Originally Posted by Diver1

I am 100% certain there are many reasons we could sue.....even if I don't know what those "legal" reasons are.

This is the part where you and I diverge. I think people are bored, and understandably so. I also think people are angry, also understandable. I've been both of those things as well at times :) Being bored and angry and frustrated with government's lack of what may seem like obvious action to us isn't really grounds for suing though. We can't sue just because we want the laws to be different than they are. We obviously can't sue the DOJ for enforcing the laws.

If the only thing you enjoy is killing other people - as an extreme example - that doesn't mean you have the right to enjoyment in that context. If the only way you earned a living in the past is by robbing banks, you don't have the right to continue earning a living this way. There are limits on everything. The government decides what those limits are. I personally think the limits on playing poker online are really stupid and outdated, and I'm sure most of us here agree with that. But it doesn't mean that the government is acting *illegally* by creating and enforcing laws.

Sorry if we're splitting hairs here, I feel kind of silly even responding to this. But it does irk me a little that anyone thinks that forcing poker sites out of the US market was some sort of usurping of people's rights. If anything, your rights were very much usurped by Full Tilt and UB/AP themselves for failing to take care of our balances properly. Those companies really fucked up, big time. The difference between them and PS was that PS was only thumbing it to the US government - not to their actual customers. FTP and UB, as it turned out, were thumbing it to everyone.

If you want to be angry at someone over not being able to play on good, reliable online sites, be angry at Congress. It's their failure to act on regulation over these last several years that has led to you not having a good place to play. Not sure you should be thinking too much about suing Congress for not regulating an industry :) But we can all dream

 

Originally Posted by Adam

This is the part where you and I diverge...........We obviously can't sue the DOJ for enforcing the laws.

Adam, this is where I just don't think you understand at all and I will explain below. Before I do I must say that I fully respect you. No attacking from you (as I've seen Wacky do) just an open discussion......I appreciate that.

 

Originally Posted by Adam

If the only thing you enjoy is killing other people - as an extreme example - that doesn't mean you have the right to enjoyment in that context. If the only way you earned a living in the past is by robbing banks, you don't have the right to continue earning a living this way............But it doesn't mean that the government is acting *illegally* by creating and enforcing laws.

This is where I feel your not following me. The above actions ARE illegal, playing poker on the internet is not. Where is the government enforcing a law by shutting down our poker rooms?

[QUOTE=Diver1;6752300]Adam, this is where I just don't think you understand at all and I will explain below. Before I do I must say that I fully respect you. No attacking from you (as I've seen Wacky do) just an open discussion......I appreciate that.

Yeah right @ No attacking from you (as I've seen Wacky do).

Someone sounds a little over sensitive....

 

Originally Posted by Diver1

This is where I feel your not following me. The above actions ARE illegal, playing poker on the internet is not. Where is the government enforcing a law by shutting down our poker rooms?

Playing poker on the internet isn't the issue. It's operating an unregulated poker room. I'm now understanding that all 50 states have laws against unregulated gambling operations. Anyway, we should obviously be allowed to play. But do we have legal recourse simply for not being able to play poker? Seems like a stretch.

The DoJ can be sued, but it seems like it would be a real long shot here.

good luck with that