Originally Posted by Aaron_Hacker

if this was anyone but the OP, the verdict here would be completely different.. the action was clearly booked.. she should pay the 5%.. you clearly thought that the OP was good for $50 when you booked the action, if you thought he was the type that would angle you, you shouldn't have booked it in the first place. You booked the action, and he literally sent you $50 while the tournament was still literally going on.. i mean dear god how is this even close?

Money that was sent when she already made the final table makes things worse not better. I mean if someone you have no backing experience with sent you money when you were on the final table of a live event, you would still pay this out when he said he would pay you in vegas before the event start and then made no other arrangements? If this was anyone else most of the opinions here I believe would still be the same, at least mine would. The past is just gravy on top, but not honestly necessary as Zima421 (reputable backer) and other reputable backers have already stated without knowing who SR247 is.

 

Originally Posted by wackyJaxon

Money that was sent when she already made the final table makes things worse not better. I mean if someone you have no backing experience with sent you money when you were on the final table of a live event, you would still pay this out when he said he would pay you in vegas before the event start and then made no other arrangements? If this was anyone else most of the opinions here I believe would still be the same, at least mine would. The past is just gravy on top, but not honestly necessary as Zima421 (reputable backer) and other reputable backers have already stated without knowing who SR247 is.

so this all comes down to whether or not SR247 would have paid $50 to Lesley after the fact had she busted the first hand of the tournament, correct? So Lesley is then implying that SR247's word isn't worth $50, correct? If this is the case, why would she book action with someone like that in the first place? Where in the chat logs does it say that the money had to be shipped before the tournament started? If it literally says that, then Lesley is correct, if not, then SR247 is correct imo, unless, of course Lesley was knowingly booking with someone that she thought was so untrustworthy that his word wasn't worth $50, which would make her either retarded or an angler.

 

Originally Posted by Aaron_Hacker

so this all comes down to whether or not SR247 would have paid $50 to Lesley after the fact had she busted the first hand of the tournament, correct? So Lesley is then implying that SR247's word isn't worth $50, correct? If this is the case, why would she book action with someone like that in the first place? Where in the chat logs does it say that the money had to be shipped before the tournament started? If it literally says that, then Lesley is correct, if not, then SR247 is correct imo, unless, of course Lesley was knowingly booking with someone that she thought was so untrustworthy that his word wasn't worth $50, which would make her either retarded or an angler.

this, well put bud

Aaron, I respect your opinion on most matters, and some of your direct posts in the past have been food for thought for me.

Plenty of people take action from people that they know or don't know on forums and from being a twitter follower. If it wasn't required in these cases where you don't have prior history with or consider to be someone that is a regular enough backer who when they say I am booked it is gold it is standard for action not to count if money isn't received ahead of time. I do agree that Lesley could have just emailed SR saying you didn't pay in time you aren't in which would have made this issue completely dead, its not necesary in determining in these cases it doesn't count. In my heart I know Lesley would have shipped money back if it was sent 2 days after she busted if she busted the first day instead of money just being sent on the FT. If it was obvious to SR he had action without paying ahead of time, no money would have just randomly been sent day 3 when she was already on the FT with a big payday ahead.

His past history on many forums isn't even necesary here imo, but should be a contributing factor to those that do not agree with my above paragraph.

 

Originally Posted by wackyJaxon

Aaron, plenty of people take action from people that they know or don't know on forums and from being a twitter follower. If it wasn't required in these cases where you don't have prior history with or consider to be someone that is a regular enough backer who when they say I am booked it is gold it is standard for action not to count if money isn't received ahead of time. I do agree that Lesley could have just emailed SR saying you didn't pay in time you aren't in which would have made this issue completely dead, its not necesary in determining in these cases it doesn't count. In my heart I know Lesley would have shipped money back if it was sent 2 days after she busted if she busted the first day instead of money just being sent on the FT. If it was obvious to SR he had action without paying ahead of time, no money would have just randomly been sent day 3 when she was already on the FT with a big payday ahead.

His past history on many forums isn't even necesary here imo, but should be a contributing factor to those that do not agree with my above paragraph.

im very active in selling/buying action , my word has always been good for paying up on bap's, people can verify that.

this case would have been no different.

 

Originally Posted by wackyJaxon

You were banned from a forum for rolling on $10. I know this wasn't in the past couple of years, so it is possible you have made good well after the fact on this. You were asked by people in this thread to produce the people that say your word is good after the fact here. This in itself would make the circumstances different (although I would still say that its Lesley's intentions here that matter, she asked for money ahead of time, and I honestly believe if you paid after she busted she would have returned your $) if you have a history of paying late on BAPs when you were supposed to pay before it started. Even though it would not change the ultimate outcome, it would at least provide some basis to why you feel the way you do.

fine, I can get references.

a couple are playing in the wsop, but i will ask.

I have asked people for references, we will see if they chime in.

 

Originally Posted by Bonestein

This is amazing. Good things you guys haven't permabanned him still, regardless of proof that he's a scumbag, let's give him lots of chances here to continue trying to fuck over other poker players when you know he's done it in the past.

that was from YEARS ago

none of you people have anything recent against me, I have not tried to fuck anyone over in my life, and even this above sample was blown way out of proportion

NO ONE has anything relevant to use against me in the dispute at hand, other than lack of communication.

lol wow i thought op was smokrokbyflock who is a well respected hs mtter who has a history of successful staking deals and afaik has never done anything shady and obv would be good for 50$. i actually don't know OP at all and am not qualified at all to speak on this matter. so sorry, just ignore my first post and i was wrong to call anybody out.

Carry on.....

 

Originally Posted by smokerock247

well im glad that changing who the person is, changes everything and the facts at hand.

reputation is everything in the poker world

I didn't realize SC's been a world class toolbag troll since '09. He's epically good at keeping threads going that are absolute fails.

- Should've gotten in contact with her. A simple DM via twitter saying "can't get to vegas, i'll send via stars" would've done wonders.
- You're not well respected, you're not her BFF. You waited til she was at the FT to send money in a way that had not been agreed upon.
- It's not the stakees responsibility to contact you to make sure you get the stake on time. You dropped the ball and gave yourself no outs.
- As others have stated, you played on stars during the days leading up to her FT, you could've shipped then if that was the case.

And am I to understand correctly that you missed your shuttle to get to the airport? Thats why you didn't go to vegas? Couldn't have moved to a later flight? Didn't you already have you hotel booked, etc?

Nothing you ever post adds up to an accurate sum.

 

Originally Posted by REEBS77

I was not asked to reply, but have been following this thread for a bit. Hang out mostly on CPF, but lurk on here too...

For the past year or so I have had a number (10-15) BAP transactions with SR247, and not once has he been late or missed any payments. The issue all of you are talking about was cleared up and the guy who was involved on the other end of that has since invested in SR247.

the guy on the canadian site as since invested in him, after reading the whole thread i find that very hard to believe.

 

Originally Posted by Ptrou

If OP is as untrustworthy as you mention wacky then I think he should be banned or have an under title

In defense of SR247, the incident posted was 2 1/2 years ago. He hasn't tried to scam anyone on the boards and this staking issue didn't happen on P5s. We don't ban people that haven't tried or succeeded in scamming people here, and I do believe that SR247 has both invested in other people in the past and been staked prior to this incident in 2012 (although not on P5s). I understand why people would want people with prior incidents to be banned, but many people that have had issues on other forums turn out to be good traders and/or posters on PocketFives. I am all for people reforming, and the only case we ban someone here for scamming or rolling is if it happens on P5s. It is fine though for people to bring up prior incidents when it might be relevant to someone seeking a stake, trading, or in these types of issues without the need of an undertitle. I know SR247 is not thrilled with me stating my opinions in this thread, however, it is as a poster and not as an Admin or Moderator.

Everytime I have bought/sold with him it was paid up front.

However if he were to ask me for 5% on pfc/ twitter or something, I would put him as booked in the thread as tent until paid. Since they are usually small shares, I trust the regs on pfc are good for it, whether it takes them a day or two or w/e. There has to be a level of trust in this imo. We all know how to call him out on it if he doesn't pay, so I would assume hes good for it unless he specifies otherwise. I think he has worked hard to rebuild a bit of a rep.... Doubt very much he'd throw it away over $50 or even the $1k to be honest.

I don't know the other party involved, but I can only assume that she would be calling him out on it when she got back if he didn't pay and she didn't cash. P5s would have a server crash imo.

I have witnessed threads (which SR247 was part of) on pfc where the horse plays the tourneys and pfcers ship the monies afterwards, but I have not taken part in any of these. This was a pre-arranged thing tho so a bit different.

i shipped cash on stars prior to her busting if thats what you are asking