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  1. You seem to be clinging to the idea that the verbal booking holds. The trouble with this is that the verbal booking consisted of turning up prior to the tourny and exchanging funds. This was part of the booking.

    when you don't show AT THE START and do EXACTLY as discussed you have no booking.

    It seems pretty straight forward.
  2.  
    Originally Posted by nutbreaker View Post

    So you have time to go on my blog and pull the google doc. but not read all the comments where kept posting about payments being made 12hs before the game.

    It says confirmed because you were paying in vegas. It also says paying in Vegas. I only posted that doc on the blog so now there is no way I am paying you. Also posted on that blog.

    nutbreaker wrote Friday, June 29 at 11:27 am:
    delete
    BAP is closed. If i did not receive by now then you do not have 5% unless you are paying me in cash at the event. As I will not be able to verify transactions as of now.

    nutbreaker wrote Thursday, June 28 at 10:52 am:
    delete

    Hi everyone. Just a reminder that I need the money tonight by midnight Las Vegas time or you DO NOT have a piece of me.

    nutbreaker wrote Sunday, June 24 at 8:47 pm:
    delete
    Hi everyone, Just a reminder that I need all funds except those paying cash in person. by midnight on June 28th Vegas time. Once u send please send me a message on Pokerspace or twitter and I will verify/reply back with receipt. After midnight on the 28th I will have to offer the deal to the next person in line in order to ensure that my bap is filled.

    This definitely puts to rest anyone that was questioning what Lesley would have done with the $50 if she received after she started and then busted the tournament. This is really all that is needed. There should be NO doubt in anyone's mind that at least Lesley would have returned the $ if SR247 sent after she entered and busted.

    SR247, still bashing Lesley I see as well despite saying numerous times you want this to go away for her sake, LOL. Stay classy, SR247 and keep trying to angle shoot despite the facts being against without even not considering your reputation which would tip the scales even more. I can't beleive you say a few times in this thread you wanted people not to bash Lesley, and no-one is but you. Also twice you accepted mediation, and since neither time you heard what you wanted you changed your mind in this thread. Where does your word actually mean anything like you want us to believe?

    None of this even takes into account the numerous lies you have posted on this forum alone, numerous bannings you have had from other forums including staking forums, and getting banned for angleshooting someone out of $10 in a transfer by lieing to them 2 1/2 years ago. The facts without taking this into account are completely against you, and the fact you need to attack Lesley at all here is pathetic. Isn't it enough you stressed her out huge when she hit the final table and now you still don't want her to enjoy it and want to call her names instead of just moving on when you are clearly wrong? Calling Lesley names (after you told others not to even though no-one else was), and going back on your word are no ways of improving your reputation here as another poster said you might be trying to do.

    Also, Lesley pls add me to your contact list for the next time you are staking out any women's events. Good job again in nailing this FT!
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Jul 9th, 2012 at 08:58 PM
  3. I never have believed in karma before but I do now. lol @ smokerock the tool

    <3 this thread
  4. perhaps lesley could state whether someone else took his place as a 5% backer, she said there was a queue, so if she could provide someone a list of the backers, showing the other dude has been removed then we can take her word for it that he indeed was scrubbed out

    however if he wasn't replaced by someone else on the list then he deserves his piece, less the $50 he should have paid in cash

    however if the second scenario is indeed the truth then he should actually only accept 2.5% and put it down to mis-communication and good faith moving forward.........and hopefully they can keep their friendship
     
  5. Wacky, another great long winded reply with no change of view on facts.

    You are missing the fact that I don't follow that blog and wasn't I instructed to, im also not a member at whatever forum/site that is

    You also look like a joke for bringing up past facts and not actual recent or relevant facts.

    DO U MISS THE PART WHERE IT SAYS THAT I'M CONFIRMED? DO U MISS THE PART WHERE I CONFIRM ACTION TWICE? Lesley is CLEARLY angling the fuck out of me.

    booked is booked and nothing changes that
    Edited By: smokerock247 Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
    Thread Starter
  6. not if you say you'll pay the funds before the start and don't
  7. Unless you are paid you are not booked, which is what you agreed to do and then never followed up when you didn't go to Vegas. If you couldn't get her the money as you said you were going to in Vegas and didn't make alternative arrangement, you have no leg to stand on. Also a fact, you said in this thread you accepted what I said, then you went back on it. Another fact is that you wanted a random but super reputable regular staker to also pop in this thread and you would abide by his opinion. You don't get much more reputable in the staking industry than Zima421 who is not active on this board, doesn't know about your past, and still independantly said that you are out of luck. Confirming action based on you paying for it in the way you said you were going to and then not paying it, means you are not confirmed.

    Lesley's intentions are clear here, she definitely was not going to accept $50 from you after the fact if she busted. This is clear from the blog you didn't read (which explains her intentions) and twitter which asks people that haven't paid to pay before she started. Whether you are unhappy or not that you are not due money here, at least stop bashing her, she doesn't deserve that. You said as much in this thread no-one should bash her, yet you are the only one doing it. If I was Lesley at this point, I would just hide this thread so she can finally enjoy her success. Lesley doesn't deserve this extra stress.

    /redundant, but obvious post
  8. repetition. Should lock the thread.
  9. This thread is still going on? Really?
    Smokerock, get over it. Yet another dispute due to unbelievably stupid lack of communication (generally speaking).
    It's your own fault.
    Learn from this mistake and move on.

    Completely agree with what Wacky said BTW.
    Edited By: BIGSLICKLEV Jul 9th, 2012 at 01:37 PM
  10.  
    Originally Posted by MYBLUEDOG View Post

    repetition. Should lock the thread.

    100% agree with this, he wont accept he is not due any money because he thinks he is, but he actually isnt, its just gonna go on and on so should lock thread to stop him getting more of the attention he clearly craves.


  11. gif related to the direction this thread has taken.
    Edited By: wantagolf Jul 9th, 2012 at 04:18 PM
     
  12.  
    Originally Posted by smokerock247 View Post

    Wacky, another great long winded reply with no change of view on facts.

    You are missing the fact that I don't follow that blog and wasn't I instructed to, im also not a member at whatever forum/site that is

    You also look like a joke for bringing up past facts and not actual recent or relevant facts.

    DO U MISS THE PART WHERE IT SAYS THAT I'M CONFIRMED? DO U MISS THE PART WHERE I CONFIRM ACTION TWICE? Lesley is CLEARLY angling the fuck out of me.

    booked is booked and nothing changes that


    You need to stop accusing her of angling the fuck out of you. It is clear that there was terrible communication and the fact that you REFUSE to take even a sliver of blame on this and the way you sidestep various issues that don't suit your flimsy argument is a joke and shows how defective, stupid, and cunty you are. You also need to understand that no matter what, even if you are right, you are NOT getting paid. What are you going to do, take her to court? This is the internet, no one can make her pay you. Get over it you fucking child. Continuing to accuse her of angling you is disgusting.
  13.  
    Originally Posted by wantagolf View Post



    gif related to the direction this thread has taken.

    classic :D , but agree this thread should be locked if for anything for lesleys piece of mind.
  14. i cant fathom booking action for a stake and then just assuming they know the action is off since you haven't received yet.. all it took was a text or something to the person before the tourney starts saying "you have no piece, i needed the money beforehand" then there is no confusion whatsoever from both ends. this shit isn't that hard.
  15.  
    Originally Posted by pokerjamers View Post

    i cant fathom booking action for a stake and then just assuming they know the action is off since you haven't received yet.. all it took was a text or something to the person before the tourney starts saying "you have no piece, i needed the money beforehand" then there is no confusion whatsoever from both ends. this shit isn't that hard.

    This is true, but it works both ways...and when you do not pay the money at the time you said you would and wait until she makes the final table to ship the money, you are leaving yourself wide open to being angled (though I don't think op got angled)
     
  16.  
    Originally Posted by nutbreaker View Post

    So you have time to go on my blog and pull the google doc. but not read all the comments where kept posting about payments being made 12hs before the game.

    It says confirmed because you were paying in vegas. It also says paying in Vegas. I only posted that doc on the blog so now there is no way I am paying you. Also posted on that blog.

    nutbreaker wrote Friday, June 29 at 11:27 am:
    delete
    BAP is closed. If i did not receive by now then you do not have 5% unless you are paying me in cash at the event. As I will not be able to verify transactions as of now.

    nutbreaker wrote Thursday, June 28 at 10:52 am:
    delete

    Hi everyone. Just a reminder that I need the money tonight by midnight Las Vegas time or you DO NOT have a piece of me.

    nutbreaker wrote Sunday, June 24 at 8:47 pm:
    delete
    Hi everyone, Just a reminder that I need all funds except those paying cash in person. by midnight on June 28th Vegas time. Once u send please send me a message on Pokerspace or twitter and I will verify/reply back with receipt. After midnight on the 28th I will have to offer the deal to the next person in line in order to ensure that my bap is filled.

    And case closed.

     
    Originally Posted by smokerock247 View Post

    where on earth did u post this???

    i only got the google doc link from the skype convo, i never read any blog????

    i was booked and u know it, i hope your guilt eats away at you for angling the shit out of me.

    have a nice life.

    Go fuck yourself you pos.

     
    Originally Posted by smokerock247 View Post

    as an act of acknowledging the lack of communication, I am willing to accept half of the 5% (2.5%)

    that way we can

    a) split the difference
    b) end this
    c) lesley shows that she wasnt angling
    d) i show that I wasnt angling

    we can come to an agreement , and handle this like adults (neither of us would get what we want) but it would be fairest to both, given the circumstances and we can put it behind us and chalk it up to a lesson learned.

    Fuck off.
     
  17. Hey
    I dont know you. So this is coming from someone who knows neither of you.
    I believe you the backer should have gotten her the money. You didnt. I think its upto you to communicate. I think you need to just chalk this up to lesson learned.
    Unless it was common practice for you and her to always pay late then you deserve no money.
    You said this was a random backing. I believe the onus is on the backer to make sure funds are secure into players hands.
    Sucks that plans got screwed up. Because everything else got effected. But its not the horses fault. Seems like your taking that anger out on your horse.
    I dont think your entitled to even half.
    I think its rude to ask for any money.
    Your plans got messed up. You did nothing to communicate prior to tourney. So just eat it as lesson learned.
    You should not be bashing her. Thats just pathetic. Shows your character. Nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree. No need for any bashing. You should simply congratulate her and tell her hopefully she accepts your backing in future tourneys.
    Had you done what you were supposed to then you wouldnt even have to wonder if shes angle shooting.
    Would have been nice bonus for you had you backed her but shit happens.
    I dont understand why you didnt message her when you found out you were going to be late.
    Seems as though it wasnt as important to you. So give it up. Your being rude.
    Your picking and choosing certain things people write to favor your argument while completely disreguarding opposing views.
    Wish you the best of luck in all your future play and backing.
  18. mature mods itt
  19.  
    Originally Posted by REEBS77 View Post

    mature mods itt


    LOL.
  20. what if she only had 500 and needed the other 500 to get in before tourny starts you dont show she get 500 somewhere else would she still owe you .you didnt show vegas what if she sold your piece to some1 else. i say no she dont owe you,imo
  21.  
    Originally Posted by REEBS77 View Post

    mature mods itt

    Smokerock brings out the worst in everyone. His going back on his word now twice when saying he was fine after I posted my opinion with the outcome and that he would accept whatever a reputable backer like Zima had to say. He tells people not to bash Lesley when he is the only one calling her names. It is really hard to deal with someone sometimes on the boards who isn't a man of his word and seeks negative attention whereever possible. Sigh at me giving him though the negative attention he is seeking again though in responding to you.
  22. after seeing the blog logs its pretty clear that SR247 needed to either pay in advance or pay in vegas in order to have a piece.. he failed to do both, therefore he doesn't have a piece, imo. Also funny to see and pretty telling on page 8 when he posts that now he's 100% sure that he is entitled to his 5% and then 11 minutes later after no one has replied to the thread he says ok ok ok i'll take 2.5%..pretty entertaining to say the least!
  23. agree that this thread is going nowhere, SR seems to keep ignoring the important details its really quite exhausting keeping up with watching this go round and round cos he is so oblivious...Apes would grasp the concept easier
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  24.  
    Originally Posted by Ahurazor View Post

    agree that this thread is going nowhere, SR seems to keep ignoring the important details its really quite exhausting keeping up with watching this go round and round cos he is so oblivious...Apes would grasp the concept easier

    No offence apes
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  25.  
    Originally Posted by wackyJaxon View Post

    No, I am taking her side since I have arbitrated staking situations in the past and am a backer myself. You have no claim to her money if she didn't agree you could pay later. It is honestly that simple if you want to take away all the other mitigating factors of reputation.

     
    Originally Posted by smokerock247 View Post

    whatever then, thats fine.

    i feel wronged, and she felt wronged and this is the end of it, i still feel cheated.

    I was cheering her on and was on her rail wayyy before day 2 even started, maybe even before she cashed. i was cheering her on when she was down to 9 bb's for fucks sake

    we didnt adress the action, but she still knew i was there.

    i will accept wacky's mediation in all this, even though lesley i KNOW that you know that you fucked up.

    good luck.

     
    Originally Posted by Gotskillz View Post

    Smoke, I PMed Zima421 guy to post... he replies in alot of these type of disputes on 2plus2 and always strikes me as the most knowledgeable/fair poster on these subjects. IMO if he says your not booked then you should stfu but if he says you are then you got a case

     
    Originally Posted by smokerock247 View Post

    thanx man, appreciated.. if he says i have no case, then i will stfu , promise.

    I will wait for him to post, as i have said the same thing 30 times itt, and im sick of running in circles.

    i just want this over with so we can move on.

    You have twice accepted mediation. You can try to be a man of your word at least one of these times. By asking Lesley again for any money in this thread after not once, but twice accepting that you were due nothing is just attempting to use PocketFives to extort an person that frankly shouldn't have to go through your personal attacks.
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Jul 9th, 2012 at 09:06 PM
  26.  
    Originally Posted by curiousgeorge77 View Post

    Hey
    I dont know you. So this is coming from someone who knows neither of you.
    I believe you the backer should have gotten her the money. You didnt. I think its upto you to communicate. I think you need to just chalk this up to lesson learned.
    Unless it was common practice for you and her to always pay late then you deserve no money.
    You said this was a random backing. I believe the onus is on the backer to make sure funds are secure into players hands.
    Sucks that plans got screwed up. Because everything else got effected. But its not the horses fault. Seems like your taking that anger out on your horse.
    I dont think your entitled to even half.
    I think its rude to ask for any money.
    Your plans got messed up. You did nothing to communicate prior to tourney. So just eat it as lesson learned.
    You should not be bashing her. Thats just pathetic. Shows your character. Nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree. No need for any bashing. You should simply congratulate her and tell her hopefully she accepts your backing in future tourneys.
    Had you done what you were supposed to then you wouldnt even have to wonder if shes angle shooting.
    Would have been nice bonus for you had you backed her but shit happens.
    I dont understand why you didnt message her when you found out you were going to be late.
    Seems as though it wasnt as important to you. So give it up. Your being rude.
    Your picking and choosing certain things people write to favor your argument while completely disreguarding opposing views.
    Wish you the best of luck in all your future play and backing.

    This might be the best summation of this thread so far. Very well put. Thanks for taking the time to type it out and voice your opinion.
     
  27. welp

    this shit is officially going viral.

    im taking it to a couple other sites.

    GG
    Thread Starter
  28.  
    Originally Posted by smokerock247 View Post

    welp

    this shit is officially going viral.

    im taking it to a couple other sites.

    GG

    You're pathetic.
     
  29.  
    Originally Posted by smokerock247 View Post

    welp

    this shit is officially going viral.

    im taking it to a couple other sites.

    GG

    Give it up my man, if you don't get it after 9 pages then your never going to get it
     
  30. We are locking this thread since the issue has been exhausted already with the OP twice rejecting rulings he said he would accept, however, we are happy to revisit this matter and unlock this thread if further evidence comes out.
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Jul 10th, 2012 at 01:00 AM