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I am the typical Poker Junkie....Played since 03 everywhere, made a decent profit over the years treating it as a hobby. I have read and studied the whole time and re-evaluated my play as well as what I should play, what I can win at. Now comes the opportunity to morph this possibly into a full time gig for 6 months and see if I can win enough to sustain my lifestyle. Being Post BF the ability to be successful at poker in the USA is far diminished. So the question is why not instead of doing the micro-grind to riches method I actually back myself....that is to deposit 1K on several different sites and instead of playing micro's that pay a steak dinner for a win play $11-$50's for a decent shot at some meaningful returns? I am going to do it, and the outline is 8 hrs per day playing Medium Mtt's on a couple sites. I posted on 2+2 but got only the usual flaming. Why is it assumed if you cant grind to riches you cant be successful in online poker? Thoughts?
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Is it $1k total, or a few grand total? If it is $1k total, you would be under-rolled in my opinion to play $11-$55s on a $1k bankroll. GL either way!
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I'm not saying it isn't possible grinding the 11-55's but seems to be a very frustrating way to grind out a living. I'm a recreational player, grinding 11-33FO's and 3r-10r, have had some moderate success but at times it is just laughable to expect much from them. Yesterday I had 2 FT's, an 11th, 15th, and a couple other mincashes I believe and was still down around 10 avg bi's. I am only playing on Lock at the moment though, and if you can put 1k or so on both Lock and Merge then it may be an easier feat. Merge has some decent guarantees in the 22-55s that Lock is definitely lacking at this point. It is just frustrating making multiple FTs and not winning flips so you have a losing day, or take an early tourney down just to air ball everything else and have a losing day that way. Not to mention how uncertain it is about how safe our money is on these US friendly sites. Anything could happen at anytime and we would be out of whatever we have stuck on there at the time.
Edited By: Getumboy Aug 6th, 2012 at 08:16 PM
But I say, go for it. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise if this is what you want to do. If it doesn't work then oh well, at least you gave it a shot and can't regret that decision. As long as you have other options if it doesn't work out then it shouldn't even be a question.
Reason: Also need minimum of 4-5k to be comfortable playing the 55's -
I wouldn't try to be like "I have to play X amount of hours a day", especially when playing MTTs. Play when your motivated and ready to go, not just to fill a false quota of hours played. Hope that helps.
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Depositing 1K and playing $50 tournies will not work in the long run unless you get really lucky. You may be getting flamed on 2+2, but its probly because they just understand basic bankroll management. Even the best player in the world would most likely go busto with a 1K bankroll playing $50 freezeouts. Losing 20 tournaments in a row is about as common as it gets in poker. There used to be a lot of people grinding 10-50's for a living, but i can gaurentee you that their bankroll was 12K+
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No I plan to put 1K minimum on a minimum of 3...possibly 4 different sites...basically I have 5K to put to work, and dont want it all on any one site. (maybe even 1K on 3 sites w/another 2Kback)Also my play would be about 90% $11-$22 MTT's, with an occasional $50 but I know 1K on a site is not enough to grind them. It on one hand seems more likely to make a steady profit (as steady as MTT's can be anyway) since almost all these fields are well under 300...not like grinding stars and having to prevail over 2000 people in even the smallest ones. I find I about average the bubble in these with many bad beats prior to FT (which indicates to me that not many people use PT either based on their usually horrible calls vs my style/image). I am just sick of winning @300 when I do win...I basically just want to play a step higher, seem to have enough to give myself a shot, and have an opportunity to do so with zero distractions. So its not so much about me per say, but whether any of you think you would have did better slightly earlier had you had the backing to play higher trynys? (I fully plan on working with one of the best MTT coaches available in Oct since I should have a decent post blk fri sample by then to work with...any recommendation appreciated)....I also agree with JP... I wont necc play 8 hours or any arbitrary number, but with a hiatus from my family I have 24/7 for @6 months to play whenever I decide to, I just know that I plan to play alot.....
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just put 2.5k on merge and grind 33 FOs and smaller, you'll get there :D
gl sir -
Black Friday shouldnt have any effect on you at all given the fact that your "volume" level online hasnt been high on any site. Nor have you had the success/scores pre BF and post BF to sustain a living... (unless your in the movie "eurotrip" and your buying hotels in bratislava for nickels)
Is this a level? Or are you actually fooling yourself?
If its a level, GOOD1. If your actually serious then...sighhhhhhh *pats you on the back*
GL in your freerolls -
I'm confused. Your OP seems like your about to blaze a new trail? Your going to try and grind midstakes for a living, right? Well good luck but its been done. With $5k and good bankroll management you will be okay.... unless you just aren't a good poker player. I wish you good luck with it.
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Come on ....the difference post black friday is unmeasurable. The volume, number of players and games made is so anyone could have found SOME game they were good at. It is a lot more limited with a finite group of players, way more regs.
Overall in 10 years live and online I am up....maybe 5k overall. Far less than the 40K I would have blew on scratches and craps and sports and all that crap since finding poker. I still am clueless why this site has no stats on me prior to that one PStars win and some recent messing around on Cake....My actual stats were along the lines of this:
Truepoker I won maybe 1K....first site, no clue what I played on that site....my first year.
party+PStars combined from 03/4ish to 06 I averaged 1K-4K yearly profit, nothing huge, typical beginner player reading everything I could, watched all the TV poker, and played a lot of everything....my usual routine was:Deposit $200....run up to 800 8/10 times thru sh2/4 and 3/6 and some 45 and 18 mans, Cash out $300 then jump 10 limits up and donk off. (either a sunday 215 or some 1000NL sitting with like 200) I usually lost. Re-deposit and repeat. Still I made money cashing out before losing it all at high stakes. Couldn't play much in 07-08. (kids) So the last 2 years are all stydying and reading my logs. (I have almost every one of those trny's logged with how/why I lost as well as all my big cash hands and trny wins, a pretty neat feat in itself having almost my full life of stats)
I had 600K hands on my PT that went south in 08) so I just started again, giving Cake a shot. I think I have my MTT and SNG game far better than I ever and now that I read all these blogs and hands of everyone. I have the time and opportunity now...so yeah I am going to be playing, full time mid stakes MTT's. Hopefully winning. I still will do a month of coaching before I do start full time in Nov.
CLIFFS:
-I think my game is as good as it has ever been and good enough to earn money post flk fri with some coaching...(despite spewy Cake stats...kinda tried everything to get a feel again)
-Have a once in a marriage opportunity to have 4-6 months with no distractions to play.
-Have a bankroll I can invest in my play to start for once a substantial amount.
-Wonder what people thought about starting with more money....(example:was thinkng about going back to school for gunsmith...it would cost 40K and no overall guarantee of profit. I dont see how investing 5K or so into poker could be awful...
-looking to have the roll for and be playing $33-$50's after 6 months, full time at profit.
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Funny having put so much time into studying every game i ever lost and thinking about what I am about to do, I didnt realize what I say still comes out like......hey, I think I am good, I want to play mids and crush....duhhhh....will I win? Obviously a dumb question. 100% no...
I think its just better to post what i do when I start coaching and playing again here. I appreciate all the normal responses. Now on to finding a coach who currently crushes midstakes American games......... -
it is possible to move in stakes enough to earn a living however you have to remember that you still haven't proved yet you can be profitable at higher stakes.
you should at least try to play 1/2 the games at first to get comfortable at the new level to make any adjustments need before maxing out at the higher levels. if you can survive the variance and manage your bankroll properly, then you have a chance. gl -
I totally agree...I am going to drop anything below $3, and mix those with 5.50's......and instead of playing 8 toury's a night I will play full time. So I think I would be wasting that time to continue and grind the couple hundred I have in play playing micro's and $1-$3's..., and not put just put another 1K there and add in some $11fo -$11 r/b and play satts to the 50/100 trns.....and hopefully work up to playing the $22-$33's with an occasional $50 after 6 months full time and be able to sustain a modest profit.
Originally Posted by realpokerpro
it is possible to move in stakes enough to earn a living however you have to remember that you still haven't proved yet you can be profitable at higher stakes.
you should at least try to play 1/2 the games at first to get comfortable at the new level to make any adjustments need before maxing out at the higher levels. if you can survive the variance and manage your bankroll properly, then you have a chance. gl -
I think that came out wrong....I have no problem grinding and learning my @ss off and putting in all the effort it takes, I'm not looking for any miracle, just looking to make money when playing full time, so I can continue to play full time after 6 months...or else its back work and recreational poker.
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good move. gotta move up where they respect your raises
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Whoaa didnt know u were serious. lol
GL man, i hear its a tuff way to make an easy living
Best advice i can give is keep making good decisions when things arent going well. Thats one concept i have to remind myself everytime i think of taking a "shot" .
When i master that aspect maybe i will try a "shot" of my own.
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Staking yourself? It seems like there is a reason most MTT players are backed, the variance is ridiculous. Unless you are crusher or run insanely hot, it will be pretty hard to make it.
You have a much better chance if you learn cash games and grind up your roll from there.
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@ the stakes ur talking about you will be fine staking yourself. yes the varience is crazy but on US sites the fields are tiny so it's much less then you would think. and the play is terrible @ those stakes as long as you have some time to build and keep it low; you will be fine.
I would join a training site. I am currently on Tournement poker edge which is pretty good esp since they have several vids from merge players. and some of them are even low stakes. GL man. You can do it. -
Yup.....I am going to spend now until October doing the training/videos on a couple sites relevant to post blk friday....and hopefully start coaching the month of Oct so by NOV 1st I am ready to dive in head first and play some serious hours and tournaments. I think my Cake results were ok (spewy for sure because I was mixing around more ideas) I just need to play more to 'outrun' the variance so to speak. I finally reached 2 pinnacles in my game....feeling I can win any tournament if I get some cards and no horrible bad luck.....and finally being able to review losses and knowing I went out properly (losing when in position as the raiser with usually a good or dominating hand, no more tilting off chips)
Originally Posted by Wesss
@ the stakes ur talking about you will be fine staking yourself. yes the varience is crazy but on US sites the fields are tiny so it's much less then you would think. and the play is terrible @ those stakes as long as you have some time to build and keep it low; you will be fine.
I would join a training site. I am currently on Tournement poker edge which is pretty good esp since they have several vids from merge players. and some of them are even low stakes. GL man. You can do it.
So this is really the end run of my hobby playing.....I also think playing with a roll full time as opposed to just a handful at night would make me play better poker....I could stop playing as passive for one, and focus more on doing the right plays since if it goes bad I likely have dozens more to go every day. -
You just gotta do it...You aint gonna know if it was a good decision till after..If you get a fair card distribution on your first few tourneys, and a good enough portion of your hands/plays hold up, you'll be fine...Maybe, itll be magic day, and you'll bink big, and become a top 10 guy here....But, maybe you'll get shit on every level and nothing will work..You have to know that, you been playing alot longer than me...
Staking yourself?...Again, you aint gonna know on that till after..Everyone here could be right, or wrong...
You gotta judge how important that 1k is...If its important, than you gotta use the strictest BRM, if its not, and you can dump more on there, than shoot away dood..You cant know till its done..Will yu navigate your stack to the light of the poker gods? Probably, in maybe a few tourneys..hopefully it'll be in a bigger one right? -
I sure hope so...I fail to see how I could be a losing player if I play full time. I would be perfectly fine working my way up the ladder, I just want to make the best use of my available time.....and that means bypassing anything under $3 and adding many more $5.50's and $11's and play them until I can afford to add in some $22's.....then $33's. I am not greedy nor thinking I will storm the online world...My goal ultimately is to be profitable after 6 months so I can then continue to play and grow. My only actual goal is to eventually break into the top 1000 on this site and bring home enough overall to continue to grow and pay the BS bills....wife has the 'good' job so I dont need to make (nor expect) 1K a week just by throwing more money out there, but i sure as hell know I can get to that point and grow from there. Yes someday I will win my first 5 digit win and will never quit until I do and never stop once I get it.....I am pushing 40 but nothing will stop me from playing for a living eventually.
(God I wish I hit my one bad beat shot on party back then in a 2/4 limit game.. JJ vs AA on JAA board...2 blanks and therefore no 200K jackpot for the table...) -
I'd suggest something along these lines:
Edited By: tyson219 Aug 7th, 2012 at 05:33 PM
500 ACR
1000 Revolution
1000 Merge
500-1000 Bovada
500 for training/coaching
1000-1500 on the side to reload if you go broke on any of those sites.
BR:
3000-5000: 3r-5rs, 5-20 FOs, daily big 33 FOs (there's one on both Merge & Lock)
5000-7500: 3rs-10rs, 5-30 FOs, occasional shots at 50-55 FOs (e.g., Sundays, Midweek Monster, etc)
7500-10,000: 3rs-10rs, 5-55 FOs, occasional shots at 100 FOs and 30cs
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Why no stats here? Had to go back and check the early years...
-most of all my winnings were at the SNG's 9,18 and 45's and 6max 2/4 and 3/6 limit games, and back then I did ok playing Mid NL games horribly shortstacked sticking only to premium hands (you could always induce a preflop shove when I got AA,KK or QQ back then and it usually held)
-My biggest historical leak was jumping into 1000NL games with a couple hundred where the method above failed miserably, and playing 15/30, 20/40 and 30/60 limit games....I DID play with the proper stack in those limit games, but knew not how to adjust and got crushed.
I would just work my roll back up, cash out a couple hundred and repeat. Had I just stuck with what was winning for me I would have been playing full time all these years. Lesson learned. (Long ago no less)
Although I have one PStars 4Kgtd ($4.40 Limit) I won and dont understand why it is not listed here, there should be a at least 50 of these ssmtt money finishes from 03-07 yet only one shows up?
Anyway despite MTT stats here I ran excellent in SNG's....and I cashed a bunch of 180's.
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That sounds like an excellent outline and pretty much what I want to do. Thank you
Originally Posted by tyson219
I'd suggest something along these lines:
500 ACR
1000 Revolution
1000 Merge
500-1000 Bovada
500 for training/coaching
1000-1500 on the side to reload if you go broke on any of those sites.
BR:
3000-5000: 3r-5rs, 5-20 FOs, daily big 33 FOs (there's one on both Merge & Lock)
5000-7500: 3rs-10rs, 5-30 FOs, occasional shots at 50-55 FOs (e.g., Sundays, Midweek Monster, etc)
7500-10,000: 3rs-10rs, 5-55 FOs, occasional shots at 100 FOs and 30cs
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Sounds like you got it all down man..Its all about the 'doin'...Will look forward to seeing your name pop up in red somewhere here "tuneman hit $44,000 score" etc etc..
Ya know, all the big boys probably were at your junction at one point..You may be halfway to where yu wanna be and dont know it...gl dood, knock em out -
Thanks all....I am onto some hard core training, going to finish my new PC and get geared up. My next post (aside of any hands) will be when I am good to go. I'll blog my whole experience then. I am positive the only thing stopping anyone is drive....all the help and information is out there.
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Hi - I checked your profile as compared to your OPR for PokerStars, and you only had 1 score on OPR that would have qualified and that was included in your profile.
http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...ml?t=2&scp=697








