Ok, lots of people have been asking me to do one for a while now, so why not

Taken from many other wells:

A stranger is being shown around a village that he has just become part of. He is shown a well and his guide says "On any day except Tuesday, you can shout any question down that well and you'll be told the answer." The man seems pretty impressed, and so he shouts down, "Why not on Tuesday?" A voice from in the well shouts back, "Because on Tuesday, it's your day in the well."

Ask away, will do my best to answer everyone, poker related or not (would be nice to keep the well at least semi poker related cause otherwise a lot of them just get dumb)

I'm going to bed now, so i'll start answering questions tomorrow morning





Oh, and before anyone asks, i think andressoprano's game is wonderful...and it was definitely a pleasure meeting him this summer!

How do you deal with the various aspects of downswing (psychology, br management, etc..)
How do you ensure you are always bringing your A-game.
What percentage of the time do you believe you are playing your best.
Are you able to separate yourself from the game when things aren't going great, or conversely, do you get to wrapped up in poker if things are going really well? Are either of those thoughts even considerations for you.

Hope you had a nice night of sleep. Lots of people gonna be lowerin their buckets.

How do you balance your schedule of poker and your personal life?
How often do you think taking breaks (as in days off in a week) helps with the mental part of the game or does that have any effect?
How many hours a day do you think you play poker per day?(including studying and other poker related info'z)
Do you watch Breaking Bad?

What did you start grinding? Were you ever a low limit player or immediately jumped into mid-HSMTTs? And if you started as a low limit grinder when did you know it was time to move up? What was your first BIG SCORE?

I don't play the daily 215 turbos or 109 2x chance, basically because there full of Regs and I have no edge. I used to play anything my br would allow.

Have you always played anything you can? Do you believe you have an edge over any field? Are their any online mtts you have ever missed because of these factors?

Thanks for doing this.

Hi!

1) How long are you allready playing fulltime/recreational? What will you be doing when you get 27 years old (assuming you are not yet)? ...30?

2) Now that online poker is gone, what are you doing? Are you sad all the time or are you actualy greatfull for this break which gives you lots of time to think about other aspects of life and life in general? Or are you just grinding live a lot?
If thats the case could you imagine your self only playing live for the "rest of your life"? Obv its way tougher BR-managment- and variance wise but I just mean technicaly, the fact to have to be sitting around on one single table without the convenience of working at home.

3) Do you have the feeling sometimes that there is a great part of adictivnes in this game, (greed for money...) or are you able ,as allready R.J_legit asked, to totaly separate your self from the game while you are not playing. Do you have any kind of philosophy to better achieve this goal (separate urself from the game)?

4) Is it not a bit too early for the well? I feel like the best is still to come for you.;)

Tx

 

Originally Posted by wackyJaxon

Gags, thanks for doing this.

1) What are your short terms goals in life?
2) What are your thoughts about if or when regulation of online poker or gaming will occur?
3) What's your favorite sandwich?

1. i've been trying to buy a house for several months now, so i guess that is sort of a goal to finally get one. just can't find one in a location that i like and is convenient and close to my family/friends and my gf's work as well...being in super expensive new jersey def doesn't help all this
2. poker will def be regulated in the US...it's just a matter of when. frankly, i have no idea when, i hope it's soon...but in reality it probably won't be for at least a couple years. it really just takes one bill or state to put something through though and we could see something relatively quickly
3. anyone that's ever eaten out with me know i'm a super super picky eater. there's this sandwich place near me that makes this grilled chicken panini, it's got pepper jack cheese and fresh basil on it, it's really good....as an aside, i will be deferring all further food related to bboy3110 and comandr_cool

 

Originally Posted by R.J_Legit

1. How do you deal with the various aspects of downswing (psychology, br management, etc..)

2. How do you ensure you are always bringing your A-game.

3. What percentage of the time do you believe you are playing your best.

4. Are you able to separate yourself from the game when things aren't going great, or conversely, do you get to wrapped up in poker if things are going really well? Are either of those thoughts even considerations for you.

Hope you had a nice night of sleep. Lots of people gonna be lowerin their buckets.

1. Down swings can be tough. I just constantly try to go over my game and actually see if i'm just running bad or i'm playing poorly. usually it's some combination of the two, and i do what i can to make sure i still play my best. The biggest thing in a downswing is the mental side...and you just can't let it affect your game, cause if it does it'll be tough to pull out of it.

2. i try to make sure i only play when i'm in the mood to play and in the right emotional state to play. if i'm angry or thinking about other life things, then i'ts not a good time to be playing, it'll definitely reflect in your play. one of the biggest things with me is playing when i'm hungry. if i haven't eaten and play i just play so terribly and make bad plays/bluffs/calls. i always try to eat a good meal before starting, and then anytime i feel my blood sugar start dropping i try to eat something. this took me a while to figure out earlier in my poker career and i feel like i blew a bunch of sessions because i was grinding a long session and not eating properly.

3. it's definitely pretty high. there was a time when i probably only played my best like 60 or 70% of the time or so, which isn't really that much. for the past, idk, definite year, and probably
close to 2 years, i feel like my game has improved quite a bit and i play my best a lot more. tough to put a number on it, i'd liek to thikn 95% or so though

4. I'm like extremely extremely stable mentally, like almost to the point where something is wrong with me...so I have an pretty absurd control of my emotions. when things are going wrong I can just choose to not get upset, and continue on with my life or session (if i choose to keep playing). I'm wrapped up in poker usually, so winning something usually doens't get me more involved. Lastly, i think that separating yourself from the game when things are going poorly is sort of being results oriented. like, playing poker is tough, and a real pull on your emotions. you have to be able to deal with the ups and downs and keep going on.

 

Originally Posted by AirStyle

what is your thought process before you enter a hand against an opponent

umm...def a pretty broad one to answer, but generally i look at my hand, and evaluate the strength of it for that situation...i look at chip stacks and determine some ranges of my opponents based on that plus previous reads and their positions at the table. if i get flat by someone i try to think about any history we might have from previous sessions or hands in that session, and (if they're a thinking player) start to think about what they think about my game if they think it's likely i'll have a weak hand. after the flop comes out i obviously see if i hit anything and decide how much showdown value i have vs his range. if my perceived range hits the flop hard, regardless of what i have, i'll usually bet, if my perceived range misses the flop but i still hit something good, then i'll obviously bet for value cause i'm gonna get called, if i hit it kind of weak i'll prolly c/call. all depends on his range vs my perceived range really...if i know it's a flop where he won't fold his range i either decide to c/f or come up with some other plan to win the pot (like a multi-street bluff or osmething)....

kind of goes on from there depending on opponent and what comes and how it affects everyone's range

 

Originally Posted by Albert Chuns

1. How do you balance your schedule of poker and your personal life?
2. How often do you think taking breaks (as in days off in a week) helps with the mental part of the game or does that have any effect?
3. How many hours a day do you think you play poker per day?(including studying and other poker related info'z)
4. Do you watch Breaking Bad?

1. certainly a tough one. i've been with my girlfriend since i first first started playing poker. (she watched me deposit $20 at a time and try to hit it big playing $5 sngs, lol) i think the best advice i can give is to just make sure you set time for the personal things you want to do. whether it's be with your girlfriend, drink at a bar with your friends, or go golfing by yourself...take days off to do those things. for example, i always tried to set my poker schedule around my gf's work schedule. if she was working evenings, i would grind more evening sessions, if she was working 9-5 i would start my grind at 12 and try to stop regging by 6 or so, so at least on the days when i busted stuff early i'd be done by 8 or so and we could hang for a bit.

2. when i was in full swing grinding i would usually take 2 days off a week. it's all dependent on the person though really. like i said, i'm extremely stable mentally, so having bad sessions/weeks doesn't tilt me like it would a lot of people. it's good to not play every single day...but exactly what you should take off is up to the individual

3. well, i definitely play less now since i'm not currently playing online (which is prolly gonna change soon)...but like i said i usually would try to play when my gf was in work so i would at least have some sort of normal social life. i used to reg 12-9 on mon and wed...12-5 or 6 on tues and thurs, and then 12-9 or 10 on sundays. usually my session ends probably 2 hours after the last tourney i reg...maybe 3 hours...obviously this changes depending on how i do in the later tourneys, but on average you're only in a tourney for like 2 or 3 hours. on fridays i would do lessons in the afternoon, and just poke around p5's/2p2 and answer threads or bs with people or wahtever. tough to put a number of hours on this...it's also tough to draw the line between like 'strategy discussion' and 'bullshitting with friends'...most of the time i would like be tlaking to someone about whatever, breaking bad or something (yeah i read ahead), and they'd be like hey look at this hh...and we'd bs for 4 minutes about the hh, then go back to talking about breaking bad...so like, idk. let's put it this way...i probably put 60+ hours into poker per week. but i certainly wouldn't consider it all work
4. YES i watch breaking bad. it's one of the best shows ever. i've been getting people to watch it since season 1 came out. phenomenal show (and i don't say that about many shows)

1. Can you talk about changing gears in tournies?
2. I find it hard at times to avoid FPS and trying to win every pot I play. Any suggestions on avoiding the urge to spew?
3. How did you first build your roll and at what point did you decide to move up stakes?

Hi Michael, thanks for doing this.

I was wondering if you could answer the following questions

1. What is the maximum outside temperature that it is acceptable to wear corduroys in say, vegas.

2. Is going on a solo trip to the aquarium an acceptable activity for an adult male?

3. If Pius and myself were to participate in a wet T-shirt competition, who would win?

4. Evaluate the following question without using the following words - No, Chance, Hell, Lol. Ok, what are shanegamble on somes chances of success with ronja heinz (tnj)?

Thanks man, eagerly awaiting your response

 

Originally Posted by sirjwab

What did you start grinding? Were you ever a low limit player or immediately jumped into mid-HSMTTs? And if you started as a low limit grinder when did you know it was time to move up? What was your first BIG SCORE?

i've always played some kind of poker. when i was a kid (like 12 years old we're tlaking) we used to play for pennies and nickels in my basement. we played all kinds of goofy games like follow the queen, guts, pass the trash, cincinnatti, ummm what else...idk. i first was exposed to holdem by my friend. we used to play dealer's choice, so the dealer would pick a game and we'd play one hand. well we were like probably 14 by this point and still playing for nickels, and my friend oni was like i got this game it's called texas holdem...and he would always pick it. we would literally play 1 hand of holdem, and then go on to another game. and people didn't really like it cause it was kind of boring, but oni would always pick it. anyway...i went to college and read this book about the MIT blackjack team. i was hooked. i learned to count cards and read all this blackjack strategy, and was like counting down the days until i would turn 21.

at some point along the way i stumbled across online poker (i honestly don't rmember how i found it, i just remember being in my dorm playing by myself) and was like, oh i can play this now, ok let me try it. i just played play money cause i had no idea what i was doing (not to mention $0 to my name) and just played play money sngs. i hated play money cash cause everyone would just shove every hand, but if you played a 27 man sng there would be like 10 people that would snap bust...but usually you had like 10 or 15 people that actually watned to play and you could get some good playing in. it took me like 9 months, but i eventually turned the 1k play money into 1mil. this is all on pokerroom, btw, anyone remember that site? by this time it was 2005, and my friend told me about party poker. i split a $50 deposit with him and dicked around with that for a bit playing cash untill i lost it. my other friend told me about pokerstars and he had money on there, and he sent me $5.50 to play a sng. i thought i was an omaha expert at the time (i probably was since i at least knew that you had to use 2 cards and people had 0 clue about anything back then)...so i played an omaha sng, and won it. since that day i don't think i ever had less than $10 in my stars account. i just started playing $5 sngs, cause those were the smallest at the time. they eventually added $2 ones and eventually $1 ones...but i never had the patience for those after being a big $5 baller. my 'bankroll strategy' was to play $5 ones until i got up to $100, then i would play the $10 ones. i look back on it now and laugh at how foolish it was and how easily i could have gone broke, but i actually sort of made it work. the other joke about all this is that whenever i got up to like $150 i would cash out like $75. i was always afraid of losing, so i felt if i was always cashing out i would never be a losing player, and would have a safety net of cashouts to fall back on in case i lost all the money i had online. i sometimes would get under $20 and get nervous and give my friend $20 cash to send me online. i had this one friend who had one like 1k in a tourney once and thought he was the biggest baller ever. i would meet him on my college campus and give him cash, felt like a drug deal or something, lol

sometime in 2006 i started reading more about poker and like was working at getting better so i didn't lose. i would just sit in my rutgers dorm with nothing to do, since i like never went to class...and usually would decide between playing poker, counter strike, or xbox. it was just another game to me to keep me amused. making money was never really a goal of mine, i just didn't want to lose money. anything that i did wind up making was just like fun and cool. i took my first trip to a casino this year too. this has gotta be the best first hand at a casino story. so, i'm 21...me and my baller friend who had won the 1k go to the borgata one night. i've never played live poker before, was nervous as hell and had 0 clue what i was doing. i only had like $200 on me and knew i was gonna play 1/2 so i only bought in for like $150 or something so i could have a partial rebuy if i lost some. anyway...i fold for the first like orbit or so. there were these 2 or 3 kids to my right who were talking about partypoker and playing online, so in my eyes they were like internet whiz kids and millionaires and obviously the best ever at poker. anyway, it folds to the cutoff and this one whiz kid raises to 10 (which in my eyes was a huge raise cause i had never played cash before and anything bigger than 3x for an open raise was obviously bad cause that's what my book told me)...i had QTo in the bb and knew that this was my time. i call...flop comes J72. i check, he bets 15. now...i had recently learned how strong cbetting is, cause you know that your opponent is gonna fold if he misses. and people used to cbet a lot online and stuff...so i used to do this thing where i would just c/r like everything, cause people didnt know how to respond and would just fold. even if they ahd a pair they would fold a lot cause no one would bluff, and i would win. so i put in a check/raise to 33....yup, $33...just barely more than the minimum. in my eyes i was like, well it's $18 more, he certainly can't call without at least 2 pair for EIGHTEEN DOLLARS!!! little did i know, this is live poker, no one folds anything ever ever ever. the kid obviously calls instantly. at this point, i'm like shaking. i have 0 plan. i just bluffed off almost $50, like 1/4 of what i came with, and i just want to grab my $50 back and run home crying. the turn comes a J so now it's J72J...i check, and the kid checks...river is a 7...i quickly check and kid sighs and checks. i say something along the lines of 'i was just bluffing good call you got me' and turn over my QT. the kid laughs and says nah, i got counterfeit, and shows 33...board is J727J...my Q plays and win the pot with Q high. the 3 kids chuckled at my check/raise with nothing and mocked me at how poorly i played the hand. i sunk into my chair as i stacked my chips, and don't think i played a pot for the next 3 hours.

(god this is really long...oh well, it's a well, deal with it)

ok so i'ts end of 2006/early 2007 now...i'm a senior in college and i have like $125 on stars and like $400 in my bank account. i learned the rules to razz, and realized that iw as making like $12/hr playing 1/2 razz. (never had a lot on stars cause i was still instantly cashing out)...i think this was the first time i really thought i could play poker for a living. i mean, my sample size was like 4 hours...but there was that hint of oh wow i'm actually making money. i was a senior, and living with my friend who played poker (not the baller 1k kid, this other friend from high school) and my gf (who wasn't my gf at this time). my friend would always buy visa gift cards to deposit on stars, and we had a quick check (little convenient store, for those not from north jersey) right around the corner from our apartment so we'd always call each other and be like 'i'm stopping at quick check you need a $25 gift card?' i felt like the biggest degen ever one day cause i was down to $20 on stars since i had just cashed out $100 leaving myself a whopping $40 to grind with, and i wanted to take a shot in some mtts. i got back from class at 2:00, and the 3r started at 2:15, then there was a $5 or $10 omaha at 3pm...and another $10 nlhe at 3:15, it was like the perfect thing for me to play. and i knew i needed more than $20, so i stopped to get a $25 gift card. i snap busted everything and wanted to keep going...so i went back out and got another $25 gift card. jumped into a 1/2 razz game with all $25 (a whopping 12 big bets)...and lost it all. a few min after i lost it all my friend calls and is like, hey i'm on my way home, u need anything from quick check...and i'm like uhhhhh yeah uh get me a $25 gift card. i felt sooooooooooo degen losing 3 gift cards. i made the last $25 last me a few days though. (lol looking back at all these moments is so funny now)

at some point, i taught my gf (again, not my gf at this time) to play poker, and we used to play heads up in the apartment a lot. we also used to take random trips down to ac to grind. we were only like an hour and change from ac, and we used to go on like a friday night at like 9pm...she'd play 2/4 limit, and i'd play 1/2 with like $200 and just play absurdly tight as fuck...eventually flop a set and get paid off. (she did pretty well playing 2/4 too, considering the game is basically un-beatable) and we would come home at like 8am. this one night, i was up to like $400, and there was this mannnnniac guy who had like 1k in front of him and was in every pot, he raises to 12, i flat AQ, it comes AQ4r and he checks, i bet 20 cause i was scared about like anything at all coming...and this guy just shoves for everything i've got. now, clearly...this is like the easiest call in teh world...he's a total maniac and he literally could have had like 54o here or even worse.........i tanked.....for about 7 minutes lolololol. my friend was at the other end of the table and started making bets with people whether i was gonna call or not, he made like $100 betting that iw as gonna call. i called...the idiot had like A9o and i won the biggest pot of my life.

beginning of 2009, i had become pretty good friends with 99nvrlosez and bboy3110, us 3 and doubledave all talked a lot at this point. i also began talking to some other p5'ers like shanetrain22 and neverscaredb EDIT: i added the nsb story down below.... i knew i wanted to be backed. the thought of someone else paying fo rme to play so i didn't have to worry about losing was definitely a plus (remember that was my original goal, to not lose...and in some ways, it never went away)...i just didn't know anyone. one day bboy im'd me and was like hey are you thinking about being backed? and i was like yeah...why....and he said his friend backs people and wanted more horses. that friend was dipthrong, and i've been backed by him ever since.

by the end of the school year in 2009 (so may or so) i left my job at the elementary school. there were some stupid political things at the school making it not fun to go anymore...also, it got to the point where iwas making so much money playign poker that i literally stopped picking up my paychecks at work. the secretary would track me down eventually and hand me a stack of 3 or 4 of them and be like here, you never got these.

the rest is kind of history...i started talking to a ton more people through bboy and eventually through dipthrong. went to the wsop in 2009 and because of my backing deal i had won a main event seat and was able to play the main event...was such a surreal experience.

EDIT: oh yeah, i know what i forgot. after my win of the main event seat in 2008...i won an 11r for around the same amount. the interesting part of the story is that 3 handed it was me, teamwispy, and neverscaredb....i didn't know either of them at the time. but i had a hud and nsb was running like 45/35 or something abusrd. he was the most aggressive player i'd ever played against and was givng me so much trouble. in the end i picked off a few of his bluffs, making one real big call of his 3barrel with like 4th pair or something, and wound up winning it. i found him on p5's and sent him a PM about some hands that we played. we began to talk a lot and share hands. he certainly helped me to think about hands in different ways than the 'standard' way of thinking.

ok this is way too long as it is, so i'm gonna end it here. that was my not so short story about how i got started in poker. after 2009, a lot of you guys know about, cause i was posting a ton on p5's and started moving up in the rankings and whatnot, so it's not as interesting....hope at least one person reads all of what i wrote, def were some funny stories/experiences along the way.

holy shit that was long...i need a break after that one.

also, copyright 2011 Gags30...feel like i could have just written an autobiography, lol

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

can u please put a space between your answers to different questions?

i think i fixed it, will try to space other ones better

 

Originally Posted by ApesAreFun

ghfghdfghfdfh

1. When will u be back online? Do u have any plans on moving out of the country? I miss folding to you...
2. On a scale of 1 to 10, were 1 is a supernit and 10 is lilholdem. How nitty am I?
3. Whats your favourite colour?

I just wanted to add that I respect your game alot, and you are, imo, one of the best.

1. kind of answered already, currently talking with a few people about potentially moving in with them and getting back online within a couple of months

2. umm...tbh i don't really know THAT much about your game. i do remember abusing you in a few tourneys tho :-) probably like 5.5? on the nitty side, but not so nitty that it makes you bad. you always seemed pretty solid, and just like a standard solid winning player.

3. i fucking hate colors. seriously, like, it's dumb that like some go with others and some don't. and like, there's always that one shade of purple/red/black/blue that you can't fucking tell what it is. just is annoying.

some people will tell me that i like blue or green, cause i have a lot of clothes those colors...but, those are just the colors that they make the pants that i wear in...



thanks for the kind words! definitely means a lot to me.

Hey Gags,

I like you, here are some questions:

1) i want more stories from your autistic kindergarten teaching days. talk about your favorite student ro something.

2) name one poker player that you think is better than me that i'd be like fuck no man no way _____ is better than me, and why?

3) ive been thinking about coaching more lately, discuss how being a good player does not necessarily equal being a good coach. why are you a good coach? would i be a good coach in your opinion?

4) how many pairs of shorts do you own?

5) thanks for making me spend 60 dollars on starcraft. that game fucking sucks. why'd you make me buy this game you should've known I would never have the patience?

6) who is your favorite sports team/player of all time?

7) construct your dream final table. where would this be played? who would be in what seat? why?

1. who in your opinion is the best nlhe player in the world? why?

2. who is the best online nlhe player in the world? why

3. who is your fav. stand up comedian

4. who is going to win the wsop main event this year?

5. who has taught u the most about poker.

6. what was the biggest turning point in your poker career?

 

Originally Posted by Crystal extacY

1. what do prefer live or ol? after bf have you appreciated how soft live poker is compared to ol?

2. where are you from?

3. how long did it take you to figure out you can be profitable in mtt's?

4. what do you think helped you become a better player other then just putting in a ton of volume?

5. do you blaze.. if so blunt, bong or j's?

6. favorite food? fav beer?

7. what do you think in your opinion are the most underrated aspects of mtt's / what are the simple mistakes you see people make in live or online tournaments?

1. definitely definitely online. i've always known that live poker is ungodly soft. i just enjoy online so much more. also, to make what i make 12 tabling online, like $/hr i'd need to play pretty high stakes live stuff, which i'm not always comfortable/rolled to do

2. i'm from nj. was born in ny, but moved here when i was like 8 or so

3. that's a good question. i always knew that you could make money playing poker. like, when i played as a kid, i was 11 years old, playing for nickels, and i wasn't a losing player. i probably just understood the rules better than some of my friends (we had to pull out the hoyle rule book a few times to figure out if a A's and 2's beat K's and Q's (my one friend was convinced you added their values together, so like 20 would be higher than 13 or whatever so the K's and Q's would win...he obviously was not correct))...but like, there were some friends that always lost...there was 1 or 2 that always won, and then i was somewhere in the middle. i would break even a lot or win a tiny bit. so i knew from the start that if i knew what i was doing i could play poker without losing money. i guess i figured out i was profitable sometime when i was playing sngs...i would just turn my $25 into $100 and cash out $50...and be back at $50...something like that...and i would just keep doing that. once in a while i'd lose it all and have to re deposit, but like i was taking out more money than i was putting on...again, it was never my goal to make money, i jsut played to have fun...the money was a side result

4. reading about the game a ton. reading every post i could, and posting in them and debating with people. trying to back up my stupid arguments with mathematical facts. i used to feel great when someone would say something like 'oh 88 is definitely a call here vs this guy's shove if he's shoving TT+AQ+'...and we'd be getting 1.5:1 on the money, and i would come into the thread and post a pokerstove of 88 only being 37% vs TT+,AQs+,AQo+ and proving the other person wrong. a lot of those stupid arguments helped me a ton to get a real solid fundamental background. when you really look at it, that's the stuff that makes you a winner...the fancy stuff like 3b and 4b and being aggressive is just icing on the cake that helps you go from a winner to someone who crushes tourneys.

5. surprisingly enough, i don't smoke weed. most people are shocked when i say that (i apparently look like a pot head)...but ya...i just never got into it. a ton of my friends smoke a ton, it was just never my thing

6. i'm gonna defer this question to bboy3110 and comandr_cool...stay tuned for an answer

loll...nah, umm...i'm a picky eater, i like grilled cheese quite a bit tho. i really like chicken too, in texas de brazil they have this bacon wrapped chicken that's really really good. i also don't really drink a lot, like very very rarely. i've drank maybe 4 or 5x in the last 3 years, and absolutely hate beer. i'm like 120 lbs so if i have 1 drink i'm like instantly wasted (very few poker players have had the honor of seeing me inebriated)...when i drink i like mixed stuff...gin and tonic i guess. again, i have nothing against people that drink, and i go out to bars all the time with my friends...i jsut never got into getting drunk like people did

7. most people's biggest mistakes are just fundamental things like, they're utg and are playing garbage hands...or they're in the bb and lp raises and they defend with J8s. things like that are actually really really big leaks and cause way more problems than people realize. some things that are under-rated in mtts are probably like chip accumulation things. once you're in the money of a tourney people just sit around and wait for hands, and wind up getting short stacked, and eventually losing a flip. they bitch about losing the flip but don't realize that they should have had more chips than that before the hand started. so maybe if they lost hte flip they still would have had 10bb ro something to try to come back. always chip upppppp