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I can't say that the sites don't make mistakes in closing accounts, but I really find it hard to believe that a noob can jump in and 9-16 table (profitably). It's just not that easy.
One hypothesis is that the bot is being used in the early-to-mid stages of MTT/SNG's. Then OP takes over during the mid-to-late stages. This could negate the claims that OP plays more tables than the bot can handle, so it's not being used. Different tourneys could be at different stages, making it possible to run the software at select tables.
I'm not one to make a judgement without completely knowing OP or the circumstances. However, these kind of posts are made almost daily here and on the "other forum", and the large majority of them end up showing that the player broke the T&C. -
what ever happened with that anyways? sharkscope started having players opt in and everything was cool?
Originally Posted by s1nnr
Well, it is possible, stars used to have a popup if u visited sharkscope, would warn you to get off there bc it violated tos
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Give us your pokerstars username FFS!! it honestly seems like your hiding something.... and who the fuk uses a bot to beat the 3$ 90mans 99%of the players in those have a drool cup.
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I agree he is hiding something or something is fishy .....but realistically ....if anyone uses a bot it would be smartest to use at the lowest limits ...easiest to beat and least suspision there ...
Originally Posted by sssssssivarT
Give us your pokerstars username FFS!! it honestly seems like your hiding something.... and who the fuk uses a bot to beat the 3$ 90mans 99%of the players in those have a drool cup.
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Everything about this guys mindset screams botter. An innocent person doesn't react in this manner. Keep in mind he was banned less than a week ago. First he wants to smear FTP and discourage customers from playing there. Second he's not just worried about getting his money back, he's convinced the funds aren't being re-distributed properly. Third he offers his own hypothetical of how he could have been wrongfully banned. I don't believe this guy botted full-time on FTP, just that he did bot at some time on FTP. FTP even named the software he was using to bot.
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This entire thread reminded me of kids botting in Diablo II and then complaining when they would get "scammed".
PindleBot tho.
GL OP... -
Originally Posted by Icebeast26
I really find it hard to believe that a noob can jump in and 9-16 table (profitably). It's just not that easy.
This. I have been playing online for a while now and its not just easy to do. I can play 6-8 comfortably but add anymore and its chaos. To the guys that run 20+ and turn a profit well done. You deserve it.
OP I really think if you were innocent this would not have happened. I don't know where to draw my conclusion about the extent of your botting but I don't think its some random mistake by FT. I mean you visited the site and watched videos about botting but why? I know what bots are and don't need to go investigate them. Maybe you used it for 10 mins maybe for a week, I don't know but what I do know is that FT outed you for the exact bot that you were coincidentally looking at there web page. If they banned you just for looking at the website well then you know what maybe that will send a message to other people "thinking" about botting. Either way I think you had bad intentions and got caught. Now you want sympathy from use. Not gonna happen.
My advice is to move to the UK and join ipoker. I hear they love bots over there.
GG sir -
According to OP, FTP knows what kind of freaky porn I watch? FML.
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am I the only one who doesnt like how sites can ban you and essentially steal your money? ok, if he broke the tos, i can all those being affected getting refunds, but doesnt it seem pretty scummy for a site to pocket his original deposit? yeah, it seems dumb to give the player his cash back, but it seems just as bad to ban a guy with very little communication and profit from his ban. at the very least they could chop up his bankroll and give to the players who got screwed, or donate it to a charity like one that helps former poker cheaters adjust to regular society
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Originally Posted by downbylaw11
am I the only one who doesnt like how sites can ban you and essentially steal your money? ok, if he broke the tos, i can all those being affected getting refunds, but doesnt it seem pretty scummy for a site to pocket his original deposit? yeah, it seems dumb to give the player his cash back, but it seems just as bad to ban a guy with very little communication and profit from his ban. at the very least they could chop up his bankroll and give to the players who got screwed, or donate it to a charity like one that helps former poker cheaters adjust to regular society
I kinda agre-- but what really gets me is you can't talk to them to havea *hearing* etc. they are judge and jury. Just another argument for US regulation -
now thats funny
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has to be a level. OP is acting a little weird, for someone trying to claim innocense, if it was me I would live on this thread providing any info to help my case. His names has been asked for several times, and yet he still remains silent. shades of grey imo
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I still think OP searched for and even downloaded bot software. I still dont think OP ever used bot at the tables.
::sighs:: ...hes a cheater, isnt he...=( -
he posted his name on page 2 or 3. i checked his ftp results. nothing weird. break evenish for a bunch of games, then a small upswong. he played 2 dollar 90 mans it looks like and is up about 180 bucks or so
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dont be scurrred OP...you can post something when you come up with something to try to save ur ass...
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I'm just waiting for the CONFIRMED BOTTER or Confirmed unlucky bastard post
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Hey guys,
Sorry for the delay with reponses to questions, I have been very busy in the last few days(not related to this). Firstly id like to thank everyone for all your responses and especially those who did not choose hop on the "hes a botter for sure" banwagon too hastily. As for questions/clarification/update
1. I am again sorry for the long post, I did not know it would make me seem guilty. I was honestly just trying to be as forthcoming as possible and give all the possible info I had.
2. I have still not recieved a response from Fulltilt to any of my emails.
3. I did not get/use the bot in any point in time, I simply did not. As much as i wish i could say more things to prove myself, i know that i will be mostly repeating and i am sure that is not wanted here. I wish i had more information to "admit" to but i just dont, there is none. I wish i could say yea i downloaded like a trial or something but never used it but that just didnt happen. I know this seems hard to believe and as some of you say "can never be proven for sure"- this could infact be true.
I do believe that the fact that this may never be fully proven, is actually Fulltilts fault as mentioned by somebody here, they are indeed the judge, jury and everything else. I also believe that even if i was guilty dont i deserve some kind of response not to mention maybe some evidence or something like that? Simply ignoring me i dont think is fair regardless of if you think i am guilty or not.
Sadly i am beginning to think that i may never be answered by them, judging by the majority of peoples opinions here being the same as fulltilts, i would see no reason for fulltilt to take that second look i am after.
If i missed any of your questions please let me know, I will be able to answer for next few hours tonight, and regularly everyday after.
Thanks again
Cardskis777 -
Yeah honestly save yourself some grief and post your stars name. If you do that then people may be motivated to look into this and they may be able to help if they find anything that might help your case. If not then you really have no hope.
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Edited By: JaguarsFan Feb 3rd, 2011 at 07:59 AMStarting to believe himOriginally Posted by cardskis777
Hey guys,
3. I did not get/use the bot in any point in time, I simply did not. As much as i wish i could say more things to prove myself, i know that i will be mostly repeating and i am sure that is not wanted here. I wish i had more information to "admit" to but i just dont, there is none. I wish i could say yea i downloaded like a trial or something but never used it but that just didnt happen. I know this seems hard to believe and as some of you say "can never be proven for sure"- this could infact be true.
I do believe that the fact that this may never be fully proven, is actually Fulltilts fault as mentioned by somebody here, they are indeed the judge, jury and everything else. I also believe that even if i was guilty dont i deserve some kind of response not to mention maybe some evidence or something like that? Simply ignoring me i dont think is fair regardless of if you think i am guilty or not.
Sadly i am beginning to think that i may never be answered by them, judging by the majority of peoples opinions here being the same as fulltilts, i would see no reason for fulltilt to take that second look i am after.
BUT, look kid you can't expect a however many million dollar company to respond to 900 dollar issues immediately. If you were in fact wrongly accused I am sure that you were not the ONLY one wrongly accused sending emails. Im sure they don't have 10 people working on people sending them emails that they were innocent. Most likely they have 1 person that takes the emails and investigates them for a second time to see if they possibly made a mistake which they probably make very little.
Give them 2 weeks to respond, then drive to corporate office IMO
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Ok, what the heck if its going to help me then sure. My name on stars is Spikedaces77
Also, today i mixed it up a bit(for the first time) and did some random cash stuff, yeah i know i played alot today and throughout last night lol....Also for a change, tonight i decided to step up to the 12 dollar 180s...Since its my first time at this level (assuming its quite a big step up from 2.20's) i only played four so i could fully concentrate and get a feel for the new levels. Not to mention that at my BR i read 12's is a bad idea. I think i did pretty good though, and i think they are very fishy just like the 2.20's...seemed like mayb a few more grinders but i think i will do heavy multitabling here in near future....
1. lost pretty quick like around 130 or so.
2. lost at 80ith i believe which was a shame cause i was doing awesome at the start
3. I got 17th i think which is mincash so i guess sososo
4. In my last one im actually still Playin on final table wohoo come watch if you want....tourney number 360394042, i will verify its me if you say something in chat etc.
I guees playing 4 at once isnt really true "multitabling" but still pretty decent results for first time stepping up a level IMO and who knows maybe ill win this last one.
Also i apologize for being hesitant about giving my screen name out at first...but i think thats pretty understandable..
thanks guys
CardKis777
Wow...scratch that i just came seventh after shoving 20k with AQ and get called with AJ and he rivers the jack omg...so gross..wulda been near chip lead....whatever i guess still profit...grrr that hurts.. wanted the $600 -
Cardskis,
IMO nobody can exactly know if FT is right to ban you or not, they maid their decision according to their informations which we will never have access to.
I am sure that if you would have "cliff note" your story to FT they would reply faster, we cannot imagine the amount of e-mail they receive so the shortest it is the best are the chances to get the reply ASAP.
Did you contacted your poker buddy that advice you to go on FT ?? If yes, what does he say ??
If I have to cut, I'll say your innocent, at least it is how I feel. But I am pretty sure FT will not close your account for no reason.
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Didn't even think about this... Did you send them an email the length of the one you posted here???
Originally Posted by Lenail
Cardskis,
I am sure that if you would have "cliff note" your story to FT they would reply faster, we cannot imagine the amount of e-mail they receive so the shortest it is the best are the chances to get the reply ASAP.
If so you are truly a moron and deserve to have your account closed
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Sorry for getting of topic, just needed to say that somewhere as it was a pretty cruddy beat, just started typing ya know. To answer the previous post about my poker bud is yes ofc he was the first person i called. He said to do exactly what im doing, post in forums and stuff, telling me that support at FT is known to be bad etc etc. At first he was very shocked too, but told me he reads about it in forums all the time everywhere, just slightly different complaints(all fulltilt though)
Jaguar,
No i did not send them this long email, what i sent is at the very end of my first post (i believe). I think it is below all the other emails i showed that i sent them. I am off to bed now, need to catch up sleep will be able to answer further questions tommorow.
Thanks
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