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  1. Rounder Rick Rounder Rick is offline

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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 7:06am)

    Isn't it just a matter of time before DOJ goes after the rest of these guys.
  2. revieceD revieceD is offline

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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 7:35am) in reply to Rounder Rick

    On what grounds? Are they selling fake golf balls too?
  3. Unreal03 Unreal03 is offline Before you take one of my threads seriously, read my post history.

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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 8:04am) in reply to revieceD

     
    Originally Posted by revieceD View Post

    On what grounds? Are they selling fake golf balls too?

    Online poker is ILLEGAL..

    Why do players try and act smart and "think" they know a way around law..

    Government stated its illegal. Therefore you opinion doesn't mean anything
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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 8:06am) in reply to Unreal03

    In 49 states, sending/receiving money to/from online gambling sites is illegal while the act of playing cards is not.
  5. revieceD revieceD is offline

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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 8:08am) in reply to wickedfamous

    If online poker's illegal why did they allow the sites to operate for 5 years and then bust them on money laundering and bank fraud charges?

    You might find this interview with payment processor Chuck Kidd interesting

    http://www.mediafire.com/?fv57snsyxvjapqn
    Edited By: revieceD Apr 23rd, 2011 at 08:14 AM
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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 9:35am) in reply to Unreal03

     
    Originally Posted by Unreal03 View Post

    Online poker is ILLEGAL..

    Why do players try and act smart and "think" they know a way around law..

    Government stated its illegal. Therefore you opinion doesn't mean anything

    Why do you act smart and "think" you know the law? Every court that has ruled on this including the US Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals disagrees with your expert opinion on the laws regarding online poker.
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  7. wackyJaxon wackyJaxon is offline Admin X

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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 10:31am) in reply to Unreal03

     
    Originally Posted by Unreal03 View Post

    Online poker is ILLEGAL..

    Why do players try and act smart and "think" they know a way around law..

    Government stated its illegal. Therefore you opinion doesn't mean anything

    You are wrong, its not illegal. Its only illegal in Washington State and some nations like North Korea.
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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 11:02am) in reply to wackyJaxon

    Speaking of bodog does hem hud work there? I was doing some research that it might be possible with a idleminer but there was some doubt if it works on mtts. If nothing else I know tournament indicator works with mtts but its disgusting that the table has to stay at default size.
     
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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 7:23pm) in reply to Unreal03

    The UIGEA never mentions poker at all. It excludes fantasy sports, intrastate gambling*, horse racing, and securities trading. (One might claim that buying stocks, options, or the derivative of the week is betting.)

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31...362----00.html

    *Online gaming run by your state government, anyone?
  10. Prestonluv Prestonluv is offline Hi. I'm awesome.

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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 7:53pm) in reply to azholdm

    lol at Unreal itt...

    just sigh....
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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 9:05pm) in reply to Prestonluv

     
    Originally Posted by Prestonluv View Post

    lol at Unreal itt...

    just sigh....

    The sad part is, it's not just this thread. Reading up on lots of threads and articles since Black Friday; I'm pretty sure Unreal03 has been in every single one of them, spouting off misinformation as facts, and generally trolling.
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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 9:50pm) in reply to Prestonluv

     
    Originally Posted by Prestonluv View Post

    lol at Unreal IN EVERY FKN THREAD!

    just sigh....

    fyp
  13. Unreal03 Unreal03 is offline Before you take one of my threads seriously, read my post history.

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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 10:18pm) in reply to Sandman_Good

    Sorry, I forgot you guys were all attorneys. Online poker is legal, so lets go play on pokerstars

    Ever Wonder why these sites advertise as .NET? Something to think about
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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 10:28pm) in reply to Unreal03

     
    Originally Posted by Unreal03 View Post

    Sorry, I forgot you guys were all attorneys. Online poker is legal, so lets go play on pokerstars

    Ever Wonder why these sites advertise as .NET? Something to think about

    Ugggh.. Sigh.
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    Apr 23rd, 2011 (4/23/2011 10:30pm) in reply to Unreal03

     
    Originally Posted by Unreal03 View Post

    Sorry, I forgot you guys were all attorneys. Online poker is legal, so lets go play on pokerstars

    Ever Wonder why these sites advertise as .NET? Something to think about


    lol
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    Apr 24th, 2011 (4/24/2011 2:21am) in reply to Audiopulse

    Hey mods, under the current circumstances, do we really need somebody on here spewing false bs that's detrimental to our cause? I guess being an idiot isn't against forum rules lol.. But seriously?
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    Apr 24th, 2011 (4/24/2011 5:50am) in reply to Unreal03

     
    Originally Posted by Unreal03 View Post

    Sorry, I forgot you guys were all attorneys. Online poker is legal, so lets go play on pokerstars

    Ever Wonder why these sites advertise as .NET? Something to think about

    hurrrr durrrr
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    Apr 24th, 2011 (4/24/2011 6:04am) in reply to lunarphase

     
    Originally Posted by lunarphase View Post

    Speaking of bodog does hem hud work there? I was doing some research that it might be possible with a idleminer but there was some doubt if it works on mtts. If nothing else I know tournament indicator works with mtts but its disgusting that the table has to stay at default size.


    from what i understand, HUD will not work but HEM will with idleminer. I havnt tried it yet, but am grinding on the diggity dogg...lol. But yea, from what i understand, HUDs will not work.
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    Apr 24th, 2011 (4/24/2011 12:39pm) in reply to themukinnutz

    Ok so pretty much everyone agrees playing poker is not illegal. So the issue is u can't transfer withdrawals to the players. DOJ made example out of ps. ftp, and ub showing they can get the big ones. they will eventually get the smaller sites because they have same problem. There is no way to pay money to the players. They are considered gambling websites so no transfer. I would say the sites should just pay the money to poker instead of golf balls, etc. and they can argue poker is not gambling. It is a skill. And the supreme court has already ruled on this.
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    Apr 24th, 2011 (4/24/2011 9:47pm) in reply to Rounder Rick

    Like someone said, the .net should have made everyone a bit suspicous. These sites advertised like crazy on the various poker shows with all these recognizable names with the .net domain being pushed. I mean who they think they were fooling? The US government?

    All of these sites used bogus companies to skirt their way around the banking system....its plain as that and that is illegal..all transactions conducted with American Banks MUST BE TRANSPARENT. It's that simple folks.

    The UGIEA simply gives them a header for their long winded indictment.

    Another Sunday without me final tabling a major sucks..lol
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    Apr 24th, 2011 (4/24/2011 10:52pm) in reply to I Suckout

    .net was only so they could legally advertise on TV since there is a rule about real money sites advertising. Nothing illegal there and to me is irrelevant towards the UIEGA. I Suckout, curious as to your real names if you were busy final tabling things on Sundays ;)

    Rounder Rick makes some good points though, what makes these smaller sites any different? If they grow big enough, they are going to have similar cash out problems.
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  22. wickedfamous wickedfamous is offline

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    Apr 24th, 2011 (4/24/2011 11:22pm) in reply to Unreal03

    Their advertising scheme is targeted towards recreational players, people who play for entertainment purposes. If their slogan was "come get beat down & exploited by the pros" I don't think they're going to attract alot of beginners & recreational players. I'm sure most new players graduate from play money to real money rather quickly, simply because they view their play money victories as real money passing them by.
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    Apr 25th, 2011 (4/25/2011 12:09am) in reply to River-King

    I agree playing poker isn't the issue neither is gambling, as betting horses is not affected by the UIEGA. (you can goto twinspires.com if you'd like) The question to me is; does Bodog, Doyle's Room, Carbon, Cake, use third party processors for cash outs. This is what the DOJ holds over stars, FTP, & Absolute.

    For years the big 3 has made it a pratice to apparently subvert the banking rules by using 3 party processors. If the other sites that still accept US players also have this practice, I would not want to play on them.

    Doyle's Room has already provided some insight that they don't, although I'm not 100% convienced (see websplat.com/Doyle_04-16-11.JPG) So if anyone knows if the other sites uses 3 party processors that would be the key for me.
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    Apr 25th, 2011 (4/25/2011 5:38am) in reply to Unreal03

     
    Originally Posted by Unreal03 View Post

    Sorry, I forgot you guys were all attorneys. Online poker is legal, so lets go play on pokerstars

    Ever Wonder why these sites advertise as .NET? Something to think about

    Scary part is the general public is about as educated as you and believes the same thing. This is why poker is beatable tho...
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    Apr 25th, 2011 (4/25/2011 5:50am) in reply to supra1988t

    this
     
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    Apr 25th, 2011 (4/25/2011 5:58pm) in reply to Unreal03

     
    Originally Posted by Unreal03 View Post

    Sorry, I forgot you guys were all attorneys. Online poker is legal, so lets go play on pokerstars

    Ever Wonder why these sites advertise as .NET? Something to think about


    please stop posting
     
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    Apr 25th, 2011 (4/25/2011 8:42pm) in reply to zoonie824

     
    Originally Posted by Prestonluv View Post

    lol at Unreal itt...

    just sigh....


     
    Originally Posted by zoonie824 View Post

    please stop posting

    +1...
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    Apr 25th, 2011 (4/25/2011 9:04pm) in reply to flipxpelon562

    Unreal is just angry at the fact that some people graduated from law school but chose poker instead because they were making more money than some lawyers and he's stuck behind a desk taking shit from his boss.
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