lol it took this guy less than 3 hours to do something bodog has been claiming is impossible to do. its a security breach because its not anonymous, he can even change the ID #s to screen names if he wants. bodog is trying to stop data mining yet in less then 3 hrs this guy has found a way to do it. complete fail by bodog with this update.

I was never a fan of HUDs, and never will be, so I don't mind that change. However, the email response earlier in this thread which stated "Bring it back to the essence of the game itself rather than who you are playing against and what you or your opponent have done in the past" is just laughable. Playing based on what you know about your opponent IS the game! That said, what you know about your opponent should be based on what you are able to gather by your personal observation skills, and not via the use of tracking software or HUDs. Notes should be allowed, as well as player names. Tracking devices and HUDs should be illegal and blocked, and you should be permanently banned from playing on the site if you are caught using any of this (IMO). '

Sync breaks are a must.
The noise needs to go, or we should at least be able to adjust which sounds are heard and have the ability to mute the sounds we do not like.
Get rid of the blackjack button on the poker tables FFS.

 

Originally Posted by Duffy08

but bro...zomg...I NEED MY RECOGNITION from fellow bros when I win donkament for moniez...i then need too INSTANTLy bug p5 mods too update my point status so I can get make believe awards like farmland so even more bros can see my domination. Poker isn't about money, it's about forum rep, twitter status, and self promotion so some day I can share my leet tips and tricks with other bros for a buy in at 1/2 on one of the elite, select 25-35 training sites that employ only a select few, 300-600 backed bros

 

Originally Posted by Duffy08

I mean Bodog prolly went a little too far too fast with it, but anonymous online poker...or at least poker where you cannot know someone's past results, or their stats without calculating them urself, is the future of poker and I hope the big time casinos and other companies recognize this so as too prolong the online poker industry. I mean how much $ would guys like GUe and other whales continue too dump if they knew no one could see how much they've lost? The collusion/MAing needs too be figured out, BUT I believe no player transfers GREATLy decreases the effectiveness of said practices right? and with payment processors being siezed, etc... it's safe too say sickos like jjprodigy are not going too be MAing bodog in the current poker climate.

It pisses me off how ass backwards the poker industry has things and we could learn tons from other bigger and better industries in every since of the word. Casinos treat their whales like kings and queens. Comps, personal help, welcoming warm faces. Poker looks up your stats riducules you for dumping maybe 1/100th of ur disposable income, and then goes and posts about it too bros on the forums. IN the markets, you almost never hear of the top day traders giving away their knowledge or edges for cheap. In poker, we idolize young bros who are making modest at best(and super high % backed) clips and then selling their ideas in the form of training videos that can be displayed for all of time for almost always a lousy, one time fee. Never ever would software that tracks succesful day traders tactics ever be allowed, or even promoted in that industry. But here in poker, we praise everythin HOldem manager does.

Lol. Well put Duff

Glad I haven't put money on there. After hearing about the Brand change I figured I'd wait to see what goes down. Love being able to play anonymously. Guess I'll wait and see how this all plays out.

 

Originally Posted by mapunk

I'm not quite sure why you're so upset about this. Before the update your screen name was public to anyone who wanted to download the software and watch a table, and you were presumably okay with that. This screen name is not only easy to track for software (huds, data scrapers, etc), but it's also easy to remember this screen name and also linked to your other screen names (through sites like pocket fives). It was also used for logging into the Bodog software.

Then Bodog comes out with an update that hides your screen name completely and "attempts" to hide your user ID (but in reality probably ~0.25% of the players are capable of seeing this information, and probably much less will actually use it to track your playing history), and you start getting nervous about it. Unless you've publicly given out your ID, people don't know that ID 555555 is actually linked to testSTRETCH -- they just know it's ID 555555. So I don't see how this can be considered a security breach or where the paranoia is coming from, just because some unique ID that they internally use is being broadcast.

they said there are more videos coming soon so that isnt the only flaw. ALso you could easily sit at a cash table, get everyones id numbers, and then after playing for awhile get up and take the seat again and know exactly who ur playing against meanwhile they think you are a new player who just sat down. Just one of many reasons why this is unacceptable and bodog is really gonna have to back out of this whole anonymous idea or become the joke of the poker world (might be too late)

 

Originally Posted by mapunk

I'm not quite sure why you're so upset about this. Before the update your screen name was public to anyone who wanted to download the software and watch a table, and you were presumably okay with that. This screen name is not only easy to track for software (huds, data scrapers, etc), but it's also easy to remember this screen name and also linked to your other screen names (through sites like pocket fives). It was also used for logging into the Bodog software.

Then Bodog comes out with an update that hides your screen name completely and "attempts" to hide your user ID (but in reality probably ~0.25% of the players are capable of seeing this information, and probably much less will actually use it to track your playing history), and you start getting nervous about it. Unless you've publicly given out your ID, people don't know that ID 555555 is actually linked to testSTRETCH -- they just know it's ID 555555. So I don't see how this can be considered a security breach or where the paranoia is coming from, just because some unique ID that they internally use is being broadcast.

My issue is that someone could write a program and sell it and provide ways to track your opponents. Now, instead of making everyone anonymous to protect the "average player", you end up making everyone anonymous, except to those willing to pay for additional information. If someone creates such a product, it actually has the opposite effect of what bodog wanted

Hit and runners must love this anonymous shit. Can Grimstar it up like a mofo now.

 

Originally Posted by mapunk

Exactly, and I was going to add that to the end of my post but decided not to. I'm obviously aware that's a pretty big issue, but my point was that people seem to think this is a huge security risk when it's really not (as far as I can tell).

This was posted by Justin the Bodog rep on 2p2:
So for those saying that someone is going to somehow hack in and get player identities because it supposedly happened on party its not possible unless you somehow got the information directly from the Bodog server. This is the issue with only doing some anonymous tables, in that way your program runs a certain way and some packets of information may be diverted for anon tables. Bodog NEVER sends this information to the tables, there is NOTHING to intercept. That information stays on their server side for reporting and security.

So are you going to test Bodog to catch chip dumpers and bots?
Plus those anonymous tables aren't so anonymous are they?

 

Originally Posted by mapunk

I'm not quite sure why you're so upset about this. Before the update your screen name was public to anyone who wanted to download the software and watch a table, and you were presumably okay with that. This screen name is not only easy to track for software (huds, data scrapers, etc), but it's also easy to remember this screen name and also linked to your other screen names (through sites like pocket fives). It was also used for logging into the Bodog software.

Then Bodog comes out with an update that hides your screen name completely and "attempts" to hide your user ID (but in reality probably ~0.25% of the players are capable of seeing this information, and probably much less will actually use it to track your playing history), and you start getting nervous about it. Unless you've publicly given out your ID, people don't know that ID 555555 is actually linked to testSTRETCH -- they just know it's ID 555555. So I don't see how this can be considered a security breach or where the paranoia is coming from, just because some unique ID that they internally use is being broadcast.

How do you know the id number cant be linked to your screename? A day ago ppl thought tables were anonymous....

Its a big issue for me because if you are told by the client that your play is anonymous it shouldnt be trackable by someone with elementary knowledge of programming.

Think about the kind of edge you would have on HU or cash tables while using a hud taking notes on players and remaining anonymous.

Pretty ridiculous and unacceptable imo

There is a new video out, i'm on my phone and having a hard time posting it maybe someone can. Sounds like from the 2p2 forum might be something on passwords.

i agree this software blows

I have been playing poker on Bodog for 4 years. I have loves there sounds , avatars, animations, great customer service, speedy payouts and Bodog poker was no exception. Had fun and won alot of money BUT this new software absolutley blows. No screennames takes away from the purpose of online poker. If you cant track your opponent or even track your table or the person next to you , well I say that sucks. I find the new software to be boring and a joke.. Im done until they at least bring back screennames

 

Originally Posted by mapunk

Sigh, all of that is very basic information and the logic can be applied to any web login form. If someone knows how to program a script to POST login credentials, they're going to know how to bypass an IP ban with proxies, which is really the next step they could have taken to secure that form a bit more. The logic in the video can be used to try and brute force any website (facebook, gmail, p5s, etc) -- it's not something that only bodog is susceptible to. Once again, knowing someone's a user ID doesn't open up any security risks at all. The bigger issue, as has been discussed, is the fact that they don't obfuscate the user IDs at all, which allows data mining programmers and websites to track the users.

Fair enough. However, most other poker sites have alternatives (PS and FTP have/had secondary measures, merge uses emails not user ids, etc). So your login credentials were not as susceptible as on bodog. In addition, unlike other companies (FB, gmail, banks, etc), bodog/poker sites have generally taken no responsibility if your account is hacked. So although this may be rudimentary, I find it an unacceptable security risk for a poker site. Especially since their attempt to mask ids was to add a "1" at the end of each id.

Here's a list of ways the new software screws multitablers. Everyone knows the software has these issues -- my point is that there's a theme, which is that they all make multitabling more difficult. I think it's by design. I think most of these flaws/bugs are intentional on Bodog's part.

They allow us to 20-table MTTs now, but it's hardly possible to keep up with even 8-10 tables because the software is nefariously (imho) designed to slow down our actions.

- The action alert beep sounds every time you win a pot, for no apparent reason. This is distracting.
- Tables do not pop to the front reliably when it is your action.
- The bet box does not work correctly. The user is required to click three or four times before he/she is able to type a number in the box, meaning the user is in danger of timing out at other tables while trying to type the bet. Wouldn't programmers almost have to be trying to fuck up such a stupid basic feature?
- It takes several clicks to grab and drag a window. This is obviously distracting when a new tournament pops up in the middle of a session.
- When a new tournament starts, the user is required to click "OK" on a pop-up box before being able to act at any other table. Pretty infuriating when this happens in the middle of a hand.
- The sounds. No alert-only option, resulting in a cacophony of horrible noises coming from every table.
- Tables do not cascade properly. Has this ever been a problem with any poker software in history? (Other than the old Bodog software, which had no cascade option at all. But this one has a cascade button that should work...)
- When using two monitors, when you click the tile tables button, half of the tables are sent to one screen, and half to the other. Same thing with cascading. (The only people this idiotic flaw will ever affect are multitablers.)
- The auto-post/sit out/auto checkboxes are in a menu that appears and disappears when you push a button. This menu is automatically pulled out when new tables pop up. When it's pulled out, it partially covers the "seat" in the lower right corner, obscuring the player number. (Incidentally, how many clicks does it take to sit out at 10 tables at the same time? Something that could be done with one click on stars takes many, many, many clicks on this innovative new software.) I also think this is designed to cause the user to misclick sit out.
- When you close and re-open the software mid-session, the tables don't automatically pop up when you log back in. The lobbies do...so you have to click into each table one by one.
- No preferred seating. The one and only reason not to have preferred seating is to make multitabling harder.

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Funny....this is really really funny.

For me the worst part is pace of play. The games are running very slow and we are seeing far fewer hands because everyone is taking lots of time/not knowing when their turn is.

They need to fix it so at least people can be alerted properly and act quickly.