Remember this post ???

think about it..they are behaving like they might be...

1. keeping as much money on site as possible, hence the cashout probs.

2. bad customer service and email responses...
could they have trimmed payroll so much that there is no one there to respond

3. the regulations that are attached to the possible new laws that would not allow
current sites to operate in usa would make it desirable to do something to be more liquid
if and/or when its time to bail.

not saying they are or that i have heard something, just speculation on my part...because it doesnt make sense for a million dollar or more a day company to be in this position, with bad PR and customer service....

could it be possible that current owners are planning their exit stategy..i'm sure full tilt will still be around, but these questions and problems that FT has don't make any other sense to me.

what ya'll think ???

1. the cashout/deposit problems are because the US gov is making it tough for banks to process transactions. it's not the sites fault on their own

2. FTP support has always been bad (from what i understand)

3. they won't just shut down. they'll still have plenty of EURO/ rest of the world traffic and would just have a lower customer base for a few years

ok i see your points...so closing out of the question...but maybe current owners are implementing their exit stategy ??? idk . i'm prolly full of shit here...just looked funny to me ...didnt mean to get anyone all upset.

 

Originally Posted by p0lecat

ok i see your points...so closing out of the question...but maybe current owners are implementing their exit stategy ??? idk . i'm prolly full of shit here...just looked funny to me ...didnt mean to get anyone all upset.

noone is upset-- but someone comes and posts a tinfoil *the world is ending* or *FTP is ending* or whatever thread so often that it gets old. People need to think through stuff...

Many large companies have poor customer service (See the airline industry), if you consider the growth curve of FT which is still young, it is likley that they have constantly been trying to catch up in the overhead/support side of the business.

 

Originally Posted by haonhack

1. the cashout/deposit problems are because the US gov is making it tough for banks to process transactions. it's not the sites fault on their own

2. FTP support has always been bad (from what i understand)

3. they won't just shut down. they'll still have plenty of EURO/ rest of the world traffic and would just have a lower customer base for a few years

I don't agree with you and wacky on #1. stars, from personal experience, friends and all major forums, never had the level of issues that FTP has had in terms of cashouts. Stars has had issues with 3rd party payment processors, but resolved very quicly and communicated much better.

The other major issue with FTP cashouts was the removal of paper checks. There are people that do not have, nor cannot get a checking account, if they are on chx systems for example. There are zero cashout options for them without paper checks. All other cashout options require a checking account as well, making cashing out impossible to those without checking accounts. As far as I know, stars has always offered paper checks.

Stars seems to work harder or smarter at circumventing the UIGEA. FTP should find out how stars is able to get us our money quicker than FTP can respond to our emails.

And for me that's the worst of all this with FTP. These cashout issues would be a lot easier to deal with if FTP comminicated in a more timely and informative manner.

I don't think FTP is closing or selling, as OP suggests, but it does look like they are trying to milk the poker economy as fast as they can. Their implementation of rush and Multi-entry tournies pretty much shows us that.

 

Originally Posted by just-jOHnny

Are the other FTP sites different companies/owners? Does wording in any of the old/new bills exclude or include them also?

I believe FTP and stars are named in the new proposed California Poker legislation as being sites that will not be allowed in the California market because they have ignored the UIGEA. State legislation is a whole other story that blows.

I would recommend to anyone to avoid playing FTP! They like to take money and dont like to pay out. Whoever said that stars has a cheque in your hand long before FTP even considers answering an e-mail nailed it right on the head. It seems like borderline theft of funds if they wont pay out or answer e-mails. Repeated requests for answers have been given with NO reply. Customers deserve at least some kind of respect, don't they?

dont u think they could have a better customer service and cashout reputation if they really wanted to ?...i do...so if they dont want to get better there , why not ? i think the answers in this thread of thinking leads one to believe they (the current owners) are making some kind of exit plans..or they are being very greedy and actually undermining their product by not putting more back into customer service...jmo.

otherwise their current behavior makes no sense...

 

Originally Posted by paddypump

I would recommend to anyone to avoid playing FTP! They like to take money and dont like to pay out. Whoever said that stars has a cheque in your hand long before FTP even considers answering an e-mail nailed it right on the head. It seems like borderline theft of funds if they wont pay out or answer e-mails. Repeated requests for answers have been given with NO reply. Customers deserve at least some kind of respect, don't they?

oh they'll pay out...two months later. It isn't theft, it's just the most atrocious customer service you will ever experience. I'm also wondering if maybe they are holding out on withdrawals because they don't have the money and are covering their asses with our money while waiting to make more money that they can use to pay us. you know, like an endless cycle of stealing where the people who don't get out before it blows up are the only ones fucked over. Not that this has ever or would ever happen, I mean surely nobody could get away with a scheme like this for decades or even years.

Bernie WHO?

It would take a big push but players need to band together and stop playing on Full Tilt untill they get their shit together. The site only works when the people behind it start doing their job. Forums like this allow us to communicate between players and realize there is a serious problem going on at FTP. Full Tilt needs to be held accountable for their lack of customer service and the fact that they take FOREVER to pay out. Stand for something before you fall for anything! I know that I will probably never play on that bullshit site again! Anybody else?

confirmed

just called durrr he said better cash out they are closing shop

nah, their not closing...just gonna keep raping us ....until current owners exit...either that or current management is like the worst in history of online poker...prolly gonna get the doom switch turned on me for this post...nps ...since i get 2 outered anyways in any significant pot late in a mtt... i will never depo or play ftp again until they get different management or owners ...

 

Originally Posted by poguemahone68

I believe FTP and stars are named in the new proposed California Poker legislation as being sites that will not be allowed in the California market because they have ignored the UIGEA. State legislation is a whole other story that blows.

Right... But do any of these laws include FTP.Fr etc