Originally Posted by unta

Oh heres a good question Doug. I have 7k on full tilt, and ~3k in uncleared deposits ranging back 6 months. Will I ever see a cashout and how much would you imagine it will be?

I'm in the same boat. I have 3 missing now, two from early Feb. FTP never directly answered my emails. They just sent the same auto replies, and shipped me from department to department. Eventually flat out lying to me by saying they were sent, and hit my bank. I sent screen shots of my bank account, scan of monthly's, and a letter from my branch manager on the 15th of March. To which they have still yet to reply.

Players need to get together sooner than later to coordinate a complete protest, and boycott of FTP, and all its "partners" at the upcoming WSOP. They are just buying time for that to blow over imo. Enough is enough imo DOJ or not. Long time coming here.

Lol wes get real, I give that guy plenty of credit just since everything he said can be observed.

 

Originally Posted by unta

Lol wes get real, I give that guy plenty of credit just since everything he said can be observed.

This...

 

Originally Posted by ApesAreFun

lol, I just dont believe that at all.

but this

Apes is a euro and does't know all the bullshit we're going through and what its like to have money locked on full tilt that you're never gonna see again

 

Originally Posted by the_schmenx

Doug have you thought up the excuse for next week or are you working on it?

+1 you suck at life doug

So why post an update thread in the first place if theres only one update people care about and that isn't the one you're posting about?

 

Originally Posted by z0n@Crew

If you take a large sample size of hands, billions of hands to facilitate variance, you will see no matter how far a player has an advantage preflop, or on any street, all subsequent events were 50/50, thus making this "skill" game, a game of chance.

This statement is easily disproved by any volume player with PT or HEM. Since it's at the crux of explaining how an alleged fraud was perpetrated, it simply confirms this post is BS.

Lederer went to Columbia. Just sayin'

I'm sticking up for FTP? See my first post ITT:

 

Originally Posted by wes_mc

very disappointing "update" for US players. there is only one question I need an answer to at this point, and nothing has changed on that front apparently.

Is it that foreign a concept to you that I can be disappointed that FTP hasn't gotten their shit together, but I won't believe every hare-brained crackpot theory because of it? I'm not sticking up for FTP. I have a significant amount of money tied up as well, but claiming the site is rigged and doomed isn't going to help me get that money back.

Wouldn't some sort of system by which certain people can cash out first, then 2nd, 3rd, etc make their lives easier? Obviously there is a cash on hand issue, this would be a fair way for them not to have everyone cash out at once and start to make people happy.

Example: Next week for one week people with screennnames starting with A, B or C can cashout, then week 2 D, E and F, etc. etc., names or whatever criteria picked in a random and observable fashion.

Something along these lines? It would renew some confidence at least.

I guess it makes sense unless they are knowingly staying open as long as possible to grab as much money as possible before they declare bankruptcy or some other bullshit.

they probably have our money tied up in investments so it is not accessible to them.

That a given "theory" can't be immediately disproven shouldn't be taken as evidence of its correctness. I'm not sticking up for FTP--I'm sticking up for rational thought, and encouraging people not to fall for what psychologists call an "argument from ignorance". The bottom line is that we don't know what's going on, as uncomfortable as that is.

 

Originally Posted by Parky 32

This.

Remember that FTP is regulated (I use that word in the loosest of terms) by the same bunch of Indians who regulates UB and AP.
By the looks of things, it was only PS who took the time to segregate client funds else FTP would be paying out by now.

I don't think that's necessarily true. Not saying it's wrong, just that there are other factors to consider.

1) stars has always had a better "team" (support, management, etc.). I'm not surprised that they moved faster than FTP.
2) FTP likely has a lot of "player" money that was never actually received by FTP due to deposits that could not be processed. I highly doubt they will refund players money until they figure out how to deal with uncleared deposits. (For example, Player X has 2k in their FTP account but 1k in uncleared deposits. Once FTP returns the 2k, they have no recourse to reclaim the 1k. As a business person, I would not return that 2k until I had a plan on how to obtain the 1k that is "owed". It's their problem not ours, but at the same time I don't blame them for needing to figure it out before allowing withdrawals.) I'm pretty sure this is a significant issue that Stars did not have to deal with.

Blonde, should provide some comfort that I have been getting paid out and have heard of others doing the same that are not currently residing in the US. I can understand people's lack of faith and their frustrations, but it hasn't been a long period of time especially when compared with the Neteller payback.

 

Originally Posted by Unreal03

Ive sent 3 emails since the 15th about my account being suspended and having 5k in limbo...

I thought about this, if you got..lets just say 500 emplyoess answering emails (UB and ap have 400 with a much lower traffic)

lets say 1 email takes 20 minutes ( thats pushing it) and lets say you had a traffic of 100,000

Lets also say everyone on your entire website emailed you guys 3 times...

100,000 x 3 = 300,000 Emails...

20 minutes / 300,000 emails = 150,000 Minutes / 500 employees

Im lost, but you guys suck

I actually sent an email to them this week when a cashout was taking slightly longer than I was used to and heard back from them within 5 hours on the issue. It was a standard form letter type of response apologizing for the delay, but the next day the money hit the account.