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FTP Doug: the 19:30 100 cubed w/ 2x MEs makes zero sense, please read

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  1. JMaster130 JMaster130 is offline

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    Apr 5th, 2011 (4/5/2011 11:40pm)

    I could get behind the idea of making the nightly tournaments such as the 75k or 40k 2xME, but making what's arguably the tournament with the toughest field of all FTP nightlies 2xME is a horrible idea. Compounding the error is the fact that the 100c's guarantee didn't get raised. Making this tournament a 2xME with a 33k gtd makes it just about unplayable. Holler if ya hear me.
     
  2. NG3434 NG3434 is offline make it happen

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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 1:25am) in reply to JMaster130

    i dont play it, mainly because the buy in was effectively $300 before... now with a $600 buyin if you 2x it, it wont attract ANY casual players. Especially since you need top 10 at the moment to get any profit and 11th place breaks even. I'd assume just making it a $100 met would get a bigger/better turnout

    edit: cosign, its useless to most of us
    Edited By: NG3434 Apr 6th, 2011 at 01:26 AM
     
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 1:43am) in reply to NG3434

    The $300 buy-in didn't bother me, all the regs in the field is what bothered me. I would play this tournament every now and then when I got home from work early or sometimes on Sunday, but now I would not even consider playing it now that it is a MET. If you want a MET at around this time, make the $75K a $150K or at least a $100K and make it a MET. I would vote to have no MET's as a regular nightly tournaments, but JMaster is right, this is the definition of a tournament that should not be a MET.
     
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 1:53am) in reply to CalBandGreat

    METs are pretty awesome in low stakes, but for higher stakes especially rebuys it just seems bad. Please don't make the $75k a MET, just add a $26 or $55 MET with a $100k + prizepool.
     
  5. GINS FINEST GINS FINEST is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 4:37am) in reply to Passiveplay

    This tourney should not be a Met, BUT since it is ftp do not half ass it, make it 4x so you get more rake (which we know you love) and people who like to play 6max can occasionally play it for fun
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 4:57am) in reply to GINS FINEST

    O/U till everything with a guarantee is MET?
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 5:58am) in reply to supra1988t

    i mean...if ftp wants to add new MET tourneys with good guarantees...that'd be cool. but don't fuck up existing daily tourneys by making them METs...
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 6:07am) in reply to Gags30

    lemme guess, this tournament often had an overlay ?
     
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 6:32am) in reply to Iplaythabored

     
    Originally Posted by Iplaythabored View Post

    lemme guess, this tournament often had an overlay ?

    Ding ding ding. Winner. I've noticed this trend too.
    Edited By: loose_cannon_jj Apr 9th, 2011 at 05:22 AM
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 6:54am) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    i mean...if ftp wants to add new MET tourneys with good guarantees...that'd be cool. but don't fuck up existing daily tourneys by making them METs...

    +1, its been said on these boards before, but ftp should stop turning daily mtts into METs, make new mtts as METs. Also, plz do NOT make the 75k into a MET, if they want to change the 100 cube or that timeslot into a mtt/MEt that is going to get bigger turnouts then fine, but the 75k is their staple mtt, its thee tournament in their daily schedule, and i think to change it to MET would set a pretty bad precedent with how ftp seems to like to run with things...
    Edited By: MarkFSU1 Apr 6th, 2011 at 06:56 AM
     
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 8:13am) in reply to MarkFSU1

    sigh
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 8:42am) in reply to T Money

    this is probably the only ftp NL mtt that I didnt play before. never playing it again now
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 10:24pm) in reply to The Lab Rat

    actually makes perfect sense since this tournament didnt run half the week before it was ME...
    Edited By: kleath Apr 6th, 2011 at 10:25 PM
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    Apr 6th, 2011 (4/6/2011 10:30pm) in reply to kleath

     
    Originally Posted by kleath View Post

    actually makes perfect sense since this tournament didnt run half the week before it was ME...

    +1..

    only it makes less sense to play it now because the toughest ftp mtt of the day just got tougher.
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 12:56am) in reply to kleath

     
    Originally Posted by kleath View Post

    actually makes perfect sense since this tournament didnt run half the week before it was ME...

    well yeah, it makes sense from FTP's perspective obviously, but that's why I made the thread...to explain from a (or several) player's perspective(s) why the 100c isn't a good fit for a ME nightly going forward. It's really lame that, because they didn't meet the guarantee a few times, they decided that making the 100c a 2x ME would solve everything. I'd much rather them either...
    A. make it a $69+6 cubed
    B. lower the guarantee
    C. ask the people who play it daily for their specific input/suggestions.

    How bout this for an idea, Doug:
    -keep the nightly tournaments as single entry (40k, 33k, 75k, 25k, etc), possibly changing the 100+9 cubed to a 69+6 cubed.
    -add a $109 ME Freezeout that starts at 18:30 server time, and has late reg open through level 8 (60/120) which would allow players to register through/after the 19:55-20:00 break.
    -this extended reg would allow you guys to slap a decent guarantee on it without fear of constant overlays...I don't see why this couldn't clear an 80k gtd every night.
     
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 1:15am) in reply to JMaster130

    its not that it didnt hit guarantee, it wouldnt get 42 players for it to start thursday through saturday much of the time, this is theyre easiest and best way to get it to run on the off days. Im also of the exact opposite opinion about it being worse on a reg filled tourney, way better make a regfest sliightly more regggggggy than to make currently good tournaments worse, also, while it is a rocky field on peak days, on off days its just just fine which is 3 out of 7 days, with not much of an overall difference on the peak days. Also I think 2 is a great number to have it at for this tournament, as dumb as i think full tilt is with this multi entry blitz in general, i think in this case there was a problem in their schedule and they used multientry to fix it without shoving it down throats. One of their better decisions since METs were made
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 1:25am) in reply to kleath

     
    Originally Posted by kleath View Post

    its not that it didnt hit guarantee, it wouldnt get 42 players for it to start thursday through saturday much of the time, this is theyre easiest and best way to get it to run on the off days. Im also of the exact opposite opinion about it being worse on a reg filled tourney, way better make a regfest sliightly more regggggggy than to make currently good tournaments worse, also, while it is a rocky field on peak days, on off days its just just fine which is 3 out of 7 days, with not much of an overall difference on the peak days. Also I think 2 is a great number to have it at for this tournament, as dumb as i think full tilt is with this multi entry blitz in general, i think in this case there was a problem in their schedule and they used multientry to fix it without shoving it down throats. One of their better decisions since METs were made

    ok, i guess i didn't understand why they voided them before, I thought it was more of a discretion thing than a minimum entries by start time.

    I just think that there are other, better ways to fix this tournament on a more permanent basis than making it ME. See my previous post for those suggestions.
     
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    Apr 7th, 2011 (4/7/2011 1:57am) in reply to JMaster130

    Think the $109 6max 30k starting at 11est would rape as a 4x multi entry. Indifferent about the $100cubed being m/e... both jmaster and kleath make good points so tough to decide either way. That being said, i hate when that tournament gets voided on thurs, fri, and sat so it being a 2x m/e would def be great for those days so think I'm a fan actually.
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    Apr 8th, 2011 (4/8/2011 2:08am) in reply to Shrubbery

    why would you not want the $75k to be multi entry? seems absurd. If they upped the guarantee on the 75k and made it 2x or 4x it would rape
    Edited By: johnea6 Apr 8th, 2011 at 02:10 AM
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    Apr 12th, 2011 (4/12/2011 9:16pm) in reply to johnea6

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it's gone

    edit: ok, it's back, wasn't in the lobby 15 mins ago
    Edited By: JMaster130 Apr 12th, 2011 at 09:35 PM
     
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    Apr 13th, 2011 (4/13/2011 12:08am) in reply to Shrubbery

     
    Originally Posted by Shrubbery View Post

    Think the $109 6max 30k starting at 11est would rape as a 4x multi entry. Indifferent about the $100cubed being m/e... both jmaster and kleath make good points so tough to decide either way. That being said, i hate when that tournament gets voided on thurs, fri, and sat so it being a 2x m/e would def be great for those days so think I'm a fan actually.


    no...not this

    don't fuck up existing tourneys that are really good by making them really bad
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    Apr 14th, 2011 (4/14/2011 8:57am) in reply to Gags30

    the 100c is a gangster tourney but putting $600 into it is definitely a turn off. It didn't get that much overlay and even though now the prizes are super respectable, it's still going to be really hard to draw alot of fish into it, so it kind of defeats the purpose. I'd think this one would go best as a single, undoubtedly.
     
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    Apr 14th, 2011 (4/14/2011 2:39pm) in reply to supra1988t

     
    Originally Posted by supra1988t View Post

    O/U till everything with a guarantee is MET?


    4 months, and im leaning towards the under
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