Originally Posted by tilerma3

Just strikes me you wud do same as ft given half a chance.lets face it you have to be a ceetain kind of person to be good at poker.

Most good poker players I know are not willing to steal from others. There are exceptions to this, but I have seen more of this in the business world than in the poker world. Poker players are known to take calculated risks, playing again at FTP or not is for each player to decide. Poker players are for the most part not known to unfairly try to win money at the poker tables. There are more cheats in the business world than the poker world. Sure they exist, but its not like the % of good poker players that cheat is higher than the % of good businessmen that steal.

I respect those that will choose never to play at FTP again no matter how clean new management might be as its their choice. If you are just frustrated with your own results or just disagree on the issue, you shouldn't take it out on other people just because they might want to play on a site that you will not play on, but rather explain your opinion on it. IMO, if the new management goes ahead and pays hundreds of millions of dollars in customer liabilities mismanaged by old owners/management, and does a few other things to bring some trust back to the FTP brand name, I am more than willing to play there if I feel there are cash games I can beat. As long as Howard Lederer and other old owners do not have any ownership in the new ownership group, I am willing to give the new site that went ahead and gave back money to the players that old management did not a chance. I understand why people might not be willing to give the new management a chance, but I don't understand people that wish bad things on those that do. Seems like the type of people that do wish bad karma onto others need to be focusing more on themselves and less than others.

Bottom line is if I feel I can trust the site again, and feel there are opportunities for me to make money playing there, I miss the software and game selection on there alot and am willing to give any new ownership a chance assuming they prove themselves. I don't think this makes me or others that feel this way bad people.

and that is why he has a elite badge.

Yeah Jackson, well said. Thank you for the post :)

This is more like the poker players i know.lol.imo you reap what you sow.i think you have proved my point.you will never know who owns ft just like b4 until regs are brought in across the board imo the whole industry is corrupt anf ft was just unlucky to be caught.this will happen again for sure.make it properly regulated or close the lot down.ps you dont care about all this tho as long as you get your money back hey.

Just an alternative view.you only want it back to make money.good for you

 

Originally Posted by tilerma3

Just an alternative view.you only want it back to make money.good for you

And because it has the games I enjoy and miss. Of course people that aren't just recreational players want to play where they can make money as well. That is the end goal of alot of occupations. Playing on FTP, however, is obviously secondary to players getting their funds back.

If FTP isn't going to be the face of Howard Lederer, is it the same FTP as before? I have yet to hear your point of view in why you would want bad will on other players if ownership and management are different and there were ways they went ahead to gain player trust. I have only heard you talk down to other players that are willing to play there because they like the software, games, and feel they can further optimize their profit. I never have a problem with anyone's point of view if its not just being negative towards other people, but so far you are just trolling other people ITT and not offerring your opinion as to why you think everyone is 'evil' that would want to play under new conditions previously described.

24/7 gambling in ones own home is destructive to certain people.i know 2people who commited suicide because of debts occured online and how the sites do the bare minimun to address these problems.it isnt needed online and its destructive for most people and good for you for winning but beware that other player may be a degenarate gambler who cant stop ruining his famalies life.all online gambling accounts should be controled as that poor sod is just the sort of player players are looking for.poker is a cancer online for people.its addictive compulsive and dangerous.imo

 

Originally Posted by tilerma3

24/7 gambling in ones own home is destructive to certain people.i know 2people who commited suicide because of debts occured online and how the sites do the bare minimun to address these problems.it isnt needed online and its destructive for most people and good for you for winning but beware that other player may be a degenarate gambler who cant stop ruining his famalies life.all online gambling accounts should be controled as that poor sod is just the sort of player players are looking for.poker is a cancer online for people.its addictive compulsive and dangerous.imo

So based on what you are saying, you think that alcohol which can be more addictive and damaging should be banned as well? I have many friends that enjoy letting off steam playing poker or even casino games that they know they are not +EV in because they want an escape and some enjoyment. Aren't the people with gambling problems prone to gambling everything away in a casino or with a bookie? We shouldn't let adults that enjoy playing play because of a few that take it too far? There are many things in life if abused can lead to damaging things, is it the governments job to protect ourselves from ourselves from things that most people know how to treat responsibly?

What does any of this have to do with people that might choose to play on FTP & why are you on an internet forum for poker if you feel its that bad for so many people?

This is the true face of poker.you dont agree so you slag off.you people are so obtuse.i hope you never see your money again.these sites make too much money and are unregulated.try buying alcahol at 14 yet underage players like annette 14 are celebs.poker isnt about enjoyment its about breaking other players.these youngsters are gonna be fked later in life for sure.poker doesnt need to be 24/7. Most of you on here are obviously already addicted to be so defensive of the game? Or coz of the money? Ps lots of deals to join sites are a giveaway.

If you look youll see then i am a winning player. Yes i would rather play with other peoples money for sure.just like ft hey lmao.was it all in your house24/7 tho?

 

Originally Posted by tilerma3

24/7 gambling in ones own home is destructive to certain people.i know 2people who commited suicide because of debts occured online and how the sites do the bare minimun to address these problems.it isnt needed online and its destructive for most people and good for you for winning but beware that other player may be a degenarate gambler who cant stop ruining his famalies life.all online gambling accounts should be controled as that poor sod is just the sort of player players are looking for.poker is a cancer online for people.its addictive compulsive and dangerous.imo

You're argument is based on people being so dumb that they cannot make the right decision for themselves, so they would rather have the government make these decisions for them. Online offers people a chance to play games for pennies that they would otherwise have to spend hundreds of dollars on in the casino. But the fact is that a problem gambler will CHOOSE to lose a meaningful amount of money any way that he can, be it online, in the casino, or at the horsetrack. I just cannot understand why any person who works for a living would prefer that the government restrict them from playing a card game online against other people.

And the alcohol argument is definetly relavant. Just becuase some people can't regulate their intake of alcohol, should we ask the government to ban it entirely? No. And anyone with a family who is flushing their life savings away on a card game probably has some serious issues. Government restriction will not solve this.

List your poker names so I can see the big winner you are. Cause you sound like some angry broke bitch who is jealous of other peoples success

And by the way, the "proven crook" is Laurent's father, not Laurent. Don't forget that Laurent is the GM of Tapie now.

I assume you left PS tired of making money, and went on to create a non profit org...oh wait, no, you left because the software was rigged against you. Sorry man, we couldn't include you in the secret deal PS and FTP had with some of us.

I left with 121k actually lol

Ok so why are these sites all based in alderney? Isle of man? Gibralter? Explain please

Ps.when do you self exclude? If your an addict would you exclude yourself ffs of corse you wouldnt. And you say my comments are dumb