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  1. whaler55 whaler55 is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:24pm) in reply to CL Type-S49

    do you think the govt will say "you could have your money back, but first, let's look at your past tax returns and see if you claimed these winnings we show you received?"
  2. stackinsideways stackinsideways is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:27pm) in reply to whaler55

    Is it possible that FTP isnt going to shut out its American Customers like stars did or are we just waiting for it to happen right now?

    cuz Im pretty much grasping to that straw
     
  3. acecatcher26 acecatcher26 is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:27pm) in reply to DrDankRx23

     
    Originally Posted by DrDankRx23 View Post

    What do you guys expect these poker sites where saying hey we do not have to follow your laws we will do whatever we want. Miracle this did not happen sooner. Why does everyone feel like the US govt. is wrong here.

    The US gvmt is wrong because we are supposed to be a free country. Not free to do what the Government decides we can.. They seriously have no right to control what we do in the comfort of our own home, if we arent hurting other people.
  4. STANGAA STANGAA is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:30pm) in reply to acecatcher26

     
    Originally Posted by acecatcher26 View Post

    The US gvmt is wrong because we are supposed to be a free country. Not free to do what the Government decides we can.. They seriously have no right to control what we do in the comfort of our own home, if we arent hurting other people.

    You know nothing about laws sir.
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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:35pm) in reply to STANGAA

    so is there no effect on playing and cashing out etc for anyone outside of the us?
  6. tedSTRETCH tedSTRETCH is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:36pm) in reply to djg23

     
    Originally Posted by djg23 View Post

    so is there no effect on playing and cashing out etc for anyone outside of the us?

    nope
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  7. nikotes nikotes is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:39pm) in reply to whaler55

     
    Originally Posted by whaler55 View Post

    people thought the same thing a couple years ago when they put their faith in obama...

    The problem is that no one looked into Obama's past. They all thought he was an outsider when in reality he was an insider with connections.

    Ron Paul has been stressing libertarian views for over 30 years. He wants the government to stay out of your business as long as your not hurting someone else. Ron Paul 2012 FTW!!!
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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:42pm) in reply to whaler55

     
    Originally Posted by whaler55 View Post

    people thought the same thing a couple years ago when they put their faith in obama...

    Obama? Change? PLease??? Ron Paul is the way to go... Simple. He would make this all go away... He wants to abolish all this crap...LEss Gov More Freedom, thats Ron Pauls Motto..
  9. freeworld777 freeworld777 is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:42pm) in reply to Jverse

    There's still a bunch of US players playing in tourneys on stars...is it every state?
  10. Brighttail Brighttail is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:43pm) in reply to doinwork09

    Here is my thoughts on how i think this will all go down. When the bill was passed not allowing US companies to take or give money from gambling sites, PS, FT and others went out to find other places (off shore) to get around the new law. The one that was run by Daniel Tzvetkoff which started this whole thing off is just one of many off shore sites that took and gave money from and to players. In Canada I use CCBill and it is a perfectly legitimate site. What Mr. Tzvetkoff did was to create hundreds of false companies to hide the money, where it came from and where it was going, and if one got shut down the liability lost from that company was minimal as no company individually was worth a lot of money. This is why I believe you hear people saying "My check bounced from XXXX" then they get another and all was okay.

    The DoJ I believe will attempt to confiscate the amount of money they can prove came from Mr. Tzvetkof's businesses but they won't be able to touch the other money PS, FT and AP had from legitimate and legal offshore accounts. I believe that PS, FT and AP will have to eat those losses, pay fines, ect. Their remaining assets should still be theirs and if people want to withdraw, even to US residents, they should make a deal with the DoJ to get that money back to them and I think over the upcoming months it will be made possible with the understanding that in the future these sites must BLOCK all US players from playing on their sites.

    The caveat is this, which poker sites can absorb such a hit financially. Tom Dwan is posting that he believes PS and FT can handle the hit but places like AP will struggle. He believes that people will eventually get their money if they wish to withdraw but it may take months as all this is sorted out.

    I also believe that this is the pre-cursor to the US Gov of eventually allowing online gambling in the US but will work to come up with a way of being able to tax it, most likely taking a % of every raked hand or every tournament. It is also possible that after they finish this they will go after the other card rooms and attempt to shut it down completely. In Canada, provinces are starting up online gambling/ poker sites that you can ONLY access if you live in that province, thus it is a provincial issue and not a federal one.

    Either way it should be very interesting to watch how things play out after this.
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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:44pm) in reply to freeworld777

    I can log into pokerstars but can't play. FTP I was able to get into a Rush game. This is in Texas.
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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:47pm) in reply to nikotes

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/15/news...dex.htm?hpt=T2
  13. Liquidiamnds Liquidiamnds is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:47pm) in reply to fernie87

    We all (US POKER PLAYERS) just pushed all in on a fucking bluff.

    The US GOVT fucking called.

    Better pray for a miracle river card folks.
    Edited By: Liquidiamnds Apr 15th, 2011 at 10:48 PM
  14. MacEwen MacEwen is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:51pm) in reply to Liquidiamnds

    does live poker just blow up now or does everyone just quit?
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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:55pm) in reply to freeworld777

     
    Originally Posted by freeworld777 View Post

    There's still a bunch of US players playing in tourneys on stars...is it every state?

    it's every state. they are only playing in tourneys they were already regged for before shit hit the fan
     
  16. Counting Bodies Counting Bodies is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:55pm) in reply to MacEwen

    time to do something else with my retarded life. ha great timing i was just about finished with my taxes getting ready to send $$. fucccckkkkkkkkkkk fjadsklfjadsfkljafjdf;lads
     
  17. ShyGuy03533 ShyGuy03533 is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:56pm) in reply to Counting Bodies

    anyone who keeps thinking this is Obama's doing is an idiot, so stfu with your dumb ass Ron Paul Vote For Him BS. This has been an issue with the FBI WAY BEFORE Obama even came into office. If anything, Obama has talked about regulating online poker. GTFO of here with your political bullshit, it's not needed in this thread, and stfu and do some research before you open your obv politically ignorant mouths.
  18. winwin07 winwin07 is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 10:57pm) in reply to ShyGuy03533

    ESPN_Poker Andrew Feldman
    According to @GamblingComp, all the indicted sites, around the world, will be down within 48 hours. #gg

    welp.
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  19. msc msc is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:01pm) in reply to whohee

     
    Originally Posted by whohee View Post

    IMO, stop speculating and whining.

    Fill this thread up with REAL talk about what's going on.

    And to those of you thinking only about yourselves, carrying on like little babies with your "fml" and woe is me attitude, reg or noob otherwise need to do a gut check and realize that if this is going to break you mentally, you don't know true hardship.

    Quit crying, the problem is here, it's happening, your not alone so don't act like it. Lets talk some real talk and focus on the big issue rather than your "fml my roll is gone". As if your the only person the problem effects.

    IMO, get off your high horse
  20. TRR21090 TRR21090 is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:02pm) in reply to winwin07

    get out? so moving abroad is no longer an option?
  21. s1nnr s1nnr is offline will stab you

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:04pm) in reply to TRR21090

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/edward..._b_848861.html

    is this right? the same day all this happens, they legalize online gambling in DC? or did i skim too fast?

    seems weird they would do it on tax day... get all the checks from us poker players, then take all the money from the big sites, then tax and regulate here, every last fucking penny...

     
    Originally Posted by Unreal03 View Post

    1.Im happy the FBI finally busted these sites. They are doing everything wrong and blame their "3rd party processors" for everything. Honestly what companys blame their cooks for their meal being not to the customers satisfaction?? The fact that they only have an email dealing with thousands in my account is a joke.Things need to change, their business is run like a fucking childs playground

    2. Anyways, these sites have no business ethics whatsoever. Its a bunch of costa rican immigrants trying to get rich. As much money as i have made, i support the BAN until its run ethically and non-shady? What were people bitching about the 1kmonday a few days ago? Where is your support now? Can people here honestly say Fulltiltpoker.com has always run their business ethically? Fuck no... These people need a degree in business before they can learn business.

    3. And why was pokerstars so quick to run from the USA? i always get those shady ass bank statements from there companys, anyone with a brain knows that shits illegal.

    I want online poker just as legal as you do, but not like this

    1) no need for the bold
    2) so ur ok with the govt taking all the money, then making money off of us then too?
  22. mcandrews3rd mcandrews3rd is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:10pm) in reply to s1nnr

    how many us players are just gona go ahead an move to canada/eu countries in the next 6 months
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  23. RollTideRoll RollTideRoll is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:11pm) in reply to tmobiledave

    With all the crap that has happened today, I imagine there will be a ton of overlays in touraments.
  24. Mr Emman Mr Emman is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:14pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

    Will Full Tilt and PS stay open for CAN/EU players ?
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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:18pm) in reply to ShyGuy03533

     
    Originally Posted by ShyGuy03533 View Post

    anyone who keeps thinking this is Obama's doing is an idiot, so stfu with your dumb ass Ron Paul Vote For Him BS. This has been an issue with the FBI WAY BEFORE Obama even came into office. If anything, Obama has talked about regulating online poker. GTFO of here with your political bullshit, it's not needed in this thread, and stfu and do some research before you open your obv politically ignorant mouths.

    and.... another reason we should vote for Ron Paul ^^^^^
  26. River-King River-King is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:19pm) in reply to nikotes

    It weird, UB web site is sezied by gov, but I can still play, just played a $1 tourny to see. stars website says nothing, but can't play. I too get a popup not allowing me to resgister. Amazing....
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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:19pm) in reply to RollTideRoll

    Imagine FTOPS if it actually runs LOL
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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:22pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

     
    Originally Posted by mcandrews3rd View Post

    how many us players are just gona go ahead an move to canada/eu countries in the next 6 months

    me me!!

    According to Andrew Feldman though, ALL THREE SITES will be DOWN within 48 hours - even in countries where they do operate legally
    http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Poker/status/59009874633310209

    what is wrong with THIS site? has it been attacked or something? Really slow and doing creepy things
  29. RUBINH RUBINH is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:30pm) in reply to drunk_bunny

     
    Originally Posted by drunk_bunny View Post

    me me!!

    According to Andrew Feldman though, ALL THREE SITES will be DOWN within 48 hours - even in countries where they do operate legally
    http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Poker/status/59009874633310209

    what is wrong with THIS site? has it been attacked or something? Really slow and doing creepy things


    There's more people on the site than it can handle, so it's moving very slowly.
  30. gugajrf gugajrf is offline

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    Apr 15th, 2011 (4/15/2011 11:32pm) in reply to drunk_bunny

     
    Originally Posted by drunk_bunny View Post

    me me!!

    According to Andrew Feldman though, ALL THREE SITES will be DOWN within 48 hours - even in countries where they do operate legally
    http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Poker/status/59009874633310209

    As soon as a friend sent me this, insta cashout from stars.
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