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http://www.tampabay.com/news/busines...cle1166818.ece
Edited By: Nole91 May 1st, 2011 at 04:28 PM
Sorry to all those with funds invested there. Although I never understood how you could play at a site with such a shady past. This site should have died the first time problems came up.
Article cliffs:
1. Background on the 4 founders
2. Post UIGEA- shell companies were formed to shield founders and shareholders from legal exposure
3. Shocking stat- 29 cents on every dollar depsoited by US players was spent "to try to keep authorities from tracking the proceeds"
4. One of shells has tax problems in Norway and some shareholders suspected "skimming"
5. Just prior to April 15, shareholders decided to try and sell company to capitalize on recent stars and Tilt deals with US casinos. -
Welcome to 2 weeks ago.
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first ive seen of it.... but doesnt look like any new iformatoin developed just more detailed from the same bshit we arleady know
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thanks for the article. interesting read.
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New info for me:
Originally Posted by yarbles
first ive seen of it.... but doesnt look like any new iformatoin developed just more detailed from the same bshit we arleady know
1. The original founders seem to still be running the show (I know Scott Tom was indicted, but timetables on the DOJ stuff isn't all that clear). All the "under new manangement" stuff after the scandals was obviously a smokescreen.
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Thanks Nole for posting this even though its depressing. I guess the $250/week max withdrawal they currently have for non US citizens should have been writing on the wall for this.
F all the founders & some of the investors. I hope those that did wrong wind up behind bars. A major Fuck You to Scott Tom who I hope winds up with a boyfriend named Bubba in a jail with horrible conditions. These guys seem to be out of country and probably safe from this, but its a nice thought.
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One thing I do know is that this story sheds no light on what will be done as far as refunding UB/AP players' money.
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I am not expecting any of my money from UB. If i get it I will be amazed. Luckily I didn't have a lot of my poker roll on there. I was freerolling on the site since I didn't deposit after pulling all my money out. Had a few FPP left over and turned it into a decent bankroll and cashed out a few times.
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Musta used it to pay Prahlad!
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any news on if Annie or Phil knew what was going down so they jumped ship early to protect their "reputations"
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so... thats basically saying if you have 1k, its worth 700 cuz they took 29 cents of every dollar?
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Thanks for the insight
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Everyone has been super used.
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Just re-read the old Omniheart thread on 2+ ref all the shit what has gone on in the past. After reading it again I still cant believe that I was stupid enough to trust funds with this site.
Pretty confident UB and AP will not bounce back from this. gee gee -
Maybe this letter posted by mookman5 on donkdown would help shed some light. Perhaps the only hope is that the DOJ seized significant funds and would somehow participate in directly refunding players. Outlook isn't good.
Originally Posted by MUPokerPlayer
One thing I do know is that this story sheds no light on what will be done as far as refunding UB/AP players' money.
April 30th, 2011
Dear Madeira Fjord, AS Shareholder,
Since the last meeting of shareholders, there have been a number of developments that affect our Company.
Most importantly, Blanca Gaming has provided notice to our subsidiary Avoine that it is currently unable to make any payments toward its debt obligations. Additionally, Blanca has further advised that there will be no future payments.
Over the past 60 days, the Company has accumulated current debts in excess of $250,000 which are increasing at $100,000+ per month. These obligations are primarily legal and professional fees in Norway.
With no cash on hand and no prospects for any cash flow for the foreseeable future, the Board of Directors is required by Norwegian law to enter the bankruptcy process. The Oslo court will appoint a Receiver who will review the affairs of the Company including the assets, liabilities, and its recent transactions. After a full assessment, the Receiver will make a determination how to enforce any applicable rights, obligations, and obtain the maximum value for its assets in the best interest of the Company.
As the Receiver is a court appointed 3rd party, we can be assured that the Receiver will evaluate all relevant options including any applicable soliciting proposals from interested parties related to the assets of the Company. Funds accumulated through the Receivers’ efforts will be disbursed according to Norwegian law.
As of the date of the filing, the Board of Directors is relieved of duty, and all future matters are in the sole control of the Receiver.
Sincerely,
Madeira Fjord, AS Board of Directors -
no- it simply states that operating costs associated with processing US deposits were 29 cents on every dollar received. So if they processed $100 mil in deposits, it cost the company $29 mil to process the funds. No way to equate that back to individual account holders and account balances. It does however bring the operating model and overall financial state of the company into question since OPEX on deposits was so high. Add in standard OPEX and you would have to wonder how they could make any money.
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Edited By: donkiman May 3rd, 2011 at 07:31 PMThis should probably be made its own thread. Fuck my life.Originally Posted by dealace1
Maybe this letter posted by mookman5 on donkdown would help shed some light. Perhaps the only hope is that the DOJ seized significant funds and would somehow participate in directly refunding players. Outlook isn't good.
April 30th, 2011
Dear Madeira Fjord, AS Shareholder,
Since the last meeting of shareholders, there have been a number of developments that affect our Company.
Most importantly, Blanca Gaming has provided notice to our subsidiary Avoine that it is currently unable to make any payments toward its debt obligations. Additionally, Blanca has further advised that there will be no future payments.
Over the past 60 days, the Company has accumulated current debts in excess of $250,000 which are increasing at $100,000+ per month. These obligations are primarily legal and professional fees in Norway.
With no cash on hand and no prospects for any cash flow for the foreseeable future, the Board of Directors is required by Norwegian law to enter the bankruptcy process. The Oslo court will appoint a Receiver who will review the affairs of the Company including the assets, liabilities, and its recent transactions. After a full assessment, the Receiver will make a determination how to enforce any applicable rights, obligations, and obtain the maximum value for its assets in the best interest of the Company.
As the Receiver is a court appointed 3rd party, we can be assured that the Receiver will evaluate all relevant options including any applicable soliciting proposals from interested parties related to the assets of the Company. Funds accumulated through the Receivers’ efforts will be disbursed according to Norwegian law.
As of the date of the filing, the Board of Directors is relieved of duty, and all future matters are in the sole control of the Receiver.
Sincerely,
Madeira Fjord, AS Board of Directors
For those who don't know, Madeira Fjord is the parent company for AP/UB.
Any idea how "player funds" are handled in a bankruptcy case in an oversees court such as this? I mean I understand they divide up the assets, but are players' funds from all over the world included in "assets"? If so, if you are a player and owed 5 figures+ is there anyway to get a piece of the bankruptcy? -
Now this from an employee. (gl getting anyone on the phone now)
Memo
To: All Staff
From: The Executive Management Team
Date: Monday, May 2, 2011
Re: Restructuring
As all of you are aware, action was taken by the U.S. Department of Justice on April 15th and we have closed our US-facing operations. We now have to focus our resources on developing our non-US operations and software business. Unfortunately, this also means we must immediately restructure our organization and significantly downsize our operations.
It is a very sad day for all of us, as we have worked so hard to create a truly amazing company that is filled with extraordinary people. We have always been and remain fully committed to the employees and consultants of this business.
TBT employees will be paid full liquidations in accordance with Costa Rican labor laws. Consultants will be paid severance based on length of service. IDS liquidations have been previously funded in full to Olman Rimola.
Some of you will be approached by the business for a new role with a much smaller company that is focused on continuing our non-US operations and software businesses.
HR or direct managers will initiate individual meetings with everyone to provide full details, and we hope to get through all of these over the next few days.
Todays decision has not been made lightly, or in haste. It comes after considerable review from all angles of the impact Black Friday has had on the business as a whole. We are disappointed that events of the past two weeks have effectively forced us to take this action, with downsizing of the business now unavoidable.
We ask that all of you work from home tomorrow and you will be updated with new work arrangements soon.
It truly has been a pleasure working with all of you. We thank you for the significant time and dedication you've all shared with us over the years and wish you all the best in your future endeavors. -
i heard through the grapevine that the offices in costa rica were cleared out this afternoon.
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I heard this too, if you have any ex employees on msn/facebook etc., they are talking...
Originally Posted by northkato
i heard through the grapevine that the offices in costa rica were cleared out this afternoon.
I also heard the authorities are actively pursuing Scott Tom and Brent Beckley in Costa Rica. That's the only good news I've heard.










