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  1. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Oct 10th, 2011 (10/10/2011 8:17pm)

    I've heard/seen a number of complaints about the Merge 2nd chance being converted to a 100c. What are people's opinion on what this tournament should be?
    1. 100 1rebuy/1addon
    2. 100 1rebuy (old "second chance")
    3. 100 "true" 2nd chance (can only rebuy if you bust)
    4. 50 1rebuy/1addon
    5. 100 freezeout
    For me, I like the 100c, but I'm afraid it's going to become a super reg fest that only pays 5 spots which is just going to be really high variance.

    My vote is remove the 100c and replace with a 100 FO (#5) and 50c (#4).
    Edited By: tyson219 Oct 10th, 2011 at 08:35 PM
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  2. OhScissorMe OhScissorMe is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2011 (10/10/2011 8:33pm) in reply to tyson219

    Yea I like your options as well. I'd prefer a 100 FO with a 4 or 5k starting stack. It'd be nice as well because then the sattys to the 109 coupons would be more worth playing. It's kind of dumb right now how you can only use a coupon for the initial buy in for the 100 cubed.
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  3. way2gobear way2gobear is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2011 (10/10/2011 11:04pm) in reply to OhScissorMe

     
    Originally Posted by OhScissorMe View Post

    Yea I like your options as well. I'd prefer a 100 FO with a 4 or 5k starting stack. It'd be nice as well because then the sattys to the 109 coupons would be more worth playing. It's kind of dumb right now how you can only use a coupon for the initial buy in for the 100 cubed.

    ya that is kinda dumb but i guess we just keep grinding
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    Oct 10th, 2011 (10/10/2011 11:44pm) in reply to tamayo85

    im not convinced that people who will play a $100 1R wont play a $100 1R1A and would not be surprised to see this format get even more non-regs, especially with a higher guarantee. they can still 1 barrel it but now they are getting in for 1/3 price instead of 1/2 price! i like the change.
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    Oct 11th, 2011 (10/11/2011 1:12am) in reply to phatcat

    From a personally selfish level and not wanting to play a $300 tourney vs. mostly regs I'd much prefer it to actually become option 3 where you have to actually bust your stack to rebuy and can only do it once. I also think that will be more appealing to fish since they will see it as starting on a level playing field and not 1 barreling for 1/3rd the chips all the regs have.

    I definately also think a 50c could do fine in there somewhere too, at least I hope it could.

    And not to hijack but i REALLLY think a midweek major type tourney would do great and give fish and grinders alike somethign to look forward to other than the weekend.
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  6. tedSTRETCH tedSTRETCH is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2011 (10/11/2011 1:31am) in reply to Keystone

    imo, this format will become even more of a reg fest than it is already- Merge raised the gaurantee 500$ while allowing another 100$ add on.

    Tonights numbers were 35 entries 16 rebuys and 24 addons to meet the gaurantee plus $500. First place was $2550 or 8.5 B.I.s- certainly seems high variance to have to ship the tourney 1-9 times to break even.

    My vote goes for 3 or 5.
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  7. phatcat phatcat is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2011 (10/11/2011 1:48am) in reply to tedSTRETCH

     
    Originally Posted by tedSTRETCH View Post

    imo, this format will become even more of a reg fest than it is already- Merge raised the gaurantee 500$ while allowing another 100$ add on.

    Tonights numbers were 35 entries 16 rebuys and 24 addons to meet the gaurantee plus $500. First place was $2550 or 8.5 B.I.s- certainly seems high variance to have to ship the tourney 1-9 times to break even.

    My vote goes for 3 or 5.

    nit-picking a bit here but since first place is a function of buy-ins, it's not accurate to say first place is 8.5 "full" buy-ins like you are suggesting. using your numbers, avg buyin was $223, so ~11.5 buyins for first.
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  8. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Oct 11th, 2011 (10/11/2011 1:53am) in reply to phatcat

     
    Originally Posted by phatcat View Post

    nit-picking a bit here but since first place is a function of buy-ins, it's not accurate to say first place is 8.5 "full" buy-ins like you are suggesting. using your numbers, avg buyin was $223, so ~11.5 buyins for first.

    You're both right. It's actually 11.5x but for a reg who's almost always 3x'ing, it's effectively 8.5x.

    If they upped the guarantee a decent amount, I'd agree with phatcat that it would draw in fish. But when the guarantee only goes up 500 or 1000, I just don't think it's going to have much pull.
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  9. phatcat phatcat is offline

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    Oct 11th, 2011 (10/11/2011 1:58am) in reply to tyson219

     
    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    You're both right. It's actually 11.5x but for a reg who's almost always 3x'ing, it's effectively 8.5x.

    If they upped the guarantee a decent amount, I'd agree with phatcat that it would draw in fish. But when the guarantee only goes up 500 or 1000, I just don't think it's going to have much pull.

    still disagree. while obviously a full buy-in reg will only win 8.5x THIS tourney it's effectively 11.5x because that takes into account the greater chances of winning a tourney (vs. a normal tournament with equal chips/buyins) where you have players playing with less chips.
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    Oct 11th, 2011 (10/11/2011 2:18am) in reply to phatcat

    5.100 freezeout

    ps slap a 10k guarantee on it
     
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    Oct 11th, 2011 (10/11/2011 2:32am) in reply to IBGrindin

    There's money to be made on Merge?
     
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    Oct 11th, 2011 (10/11/2011 3:12am) in reply to adamsapple19

    I prefer the old second chance but I'll probably still end up playing it.

     
    Originally Posted by adamsapple19 View Post

    There's money to be made on Merge?


    No.
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    Oct 17th, 2011 (10/17/2011 12:49pm) in reply to supra1988t

    I like the idea of merge having one true second chance tourny.. regardless will still play it
     
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    Oct 18th, 2011 (10/18/2011 4:43am) in reply to dadams588

    I only played it twice since they changed this yet, but definitely think not as many people are gonna play it
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    Oct 18th, 2011 (10/18/2011 6:06am) in reply to phatcat

     
    Originally Posted by phatcat View Post

    im not convinced that people who will play a $100 1R wont play a $100 1R1A and would not be surprised to see this format get even more non-regs, especially with a higher guarantee. they can still 1 barrel it but now they are getting in for 1/3 price instead of 1/2 price! i like the change.

    I hate the change and won't be playing in this tourney any time soon. I miss the 2nd chance, wish the would of left it the way it was.
     
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    Oct 18th, 2011 (10/18/2011 6:59am) in reply to kevmode

    Would have played on Sunday had it not been a cubed.
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    Oct 18th, 2011 (10/18/2011 8:59am) in reply to clantaztic

    109 freeze, im fine with 109 totally bust and 109 again, true 2nd chance in first hour
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