Originally Posted by AMEC04

"HowIsThisLegal" - tells you something about what this guy was thinking when he set up his account

Yeah, there's no way that screen name is a reference to playing on a site open to US players when supposedly online poker is illegal in the US, and is definitely a reference to the ticket situation.

 

Originally Posted by AMEC04

I have the password for the account, and it is on the list mentioned. I know numerous people play on it (railed them plenty of times). Basically, the owner of the account wants someone playing on it at all times, he doesnt care who. Its all free money why would he care. no one plays = no money. a fish plays - all he has to do is cash once and its profit.

Ill say it again that I dont feel safe outing said accounts. I don't exactly what kind of people Im dealing with but I don't wanna take the chance. I do know all the facts, and am trying to shed light on the shadyiness on the situation. Apparently, some of these friends and friends of friends are getting anxious for their cut so I assume more and more people will find there way here in the near future.

I dont think EVERY account is MAing. But I know A LOT of them are. multiple users on a daily basis and even people taking over for people late in MTTs. its sick

You keep saying you have all this information but choose not to give it because you "know exactly what kind of people you're dealing with". You're not dealing with the fucking mafia or anything like that. I think you're just a bullshitter, and everyone should take what you say with a grain of salt until you present some of these facts you claim to have.

Hey borders, have no reference point to make statements such as "kind of people dealing with" is not a concern. Too much $ etc involved, ur apparently a shill also..

yah wtf u got a pw to THE ACCOUNT ok whats the name i was just at a ft with lllllllllllllllllllllll

i still dont have a problem with tickets if its paid for and its a backing situation than so be it

but wtf chuck several posts with the claim but than u hold back the name

if there are colluders /MA'ing and u are posting why don't u just totally out this situation and get the monkey off ur back

and ours

DOES ANY1 KNOW WHICH ONE OF THE NAMES IS RUNNING 24-7....ALLEGEDLY

This really sucks if there is any basis to it, the ticket thing doesn't sound that bad but I haven't taken time to read this whole thread. Any chance for cliffs from someone who has?

However, multi-accounting and account sharing and collusion happened on stars and FTP. They were good about catching it and stopping it but it still happened so I don't necessarily think it's any bad reflection on Merge. It also doesn't change whether I continue to play there or not but I will be keeping an eye on these players listed to see if I notice anything odd as we all should.

If someone knows and has concrete evidence on any of these people/accounts you need to man up and post what you have and/or at the very least get in touch with someone at Merge and give them anything you have on these accounts so that they can investigate and put a stop to it.

 

Originally Posted by KingTriton

I never expected it to take this turn....really thought this was just a backing deal. Glad I posted the list now.

+1

i believed evechad from the very start that something was indeed unethical going on, why would he make this up, kid has millions in cashes and a good rep?

 

Originally Posted by AMEC04

If whoever is backing these accounts is paying for the tickets, then they must be one rich SOB. Of all the names on thelist only one has a profit. And since 40% of the cashes go to the horse, then the average ROI of these accounts is about -65%. Most have between 50k and 120k in cashes so you can do some simple math to figure out how much the "backer" is down. It is easily in the millions to multi-millions of dollars.

Except the buy-ins on these accounts will be grossly over-stated on any tracking site since they will use average rebuys for all R&A tourneys while none of these accounts will actually have any rebuys.

Also some simple math could show you how much the backer is "up" if the alternative use of these tickets is giving them away for "free" like most affiliates presumably do.

The math is actually really easy and nowhere near the million dollar mark. Use OPR, set it to without estimated RA expenses, determine cashes after stakeback, split the remaining cashes.

here are the estimated amount each account is up or down for the staker. used OPR without rebuys added in. amount in () is the amount the staker is up or down for each known horse. (total prizes) - (total amount of buy ins) - (40% of total prizes) = net money for staker

 

Originally Posted by KingTriton

NODOJINMEXICO (break even)
||III||III||III (or whatever the fuck it is) (couldnt figure his username to look up)
LorraineYidetteMoss (-$30K)
AquaFineVudka (-$67K)
JohnnyLongballs (-$64K)
DaRickishaw (stats blocked)
lengthylenny (-$52K)
420fourtwenty420 (-$25K)
SamBarn63 (-$7K)
SwagConsultant (-$45K)
Fatchalovs (-$13K)
ZiggyMoonbeam (-$44K)
ErrorErrrooorrr (-$33K)
sandpits (-$34K)
greerzy2 (-$37K)
TokenBlackGuy (-$11K)
ReturnOfTheMac (-$23K)
TheTopPeelBack (-$2K)
HowIsThisLegal (-$13K)
Quickscope (-$35K)
peppermonkey (-$51K)
JaxGotStax (-$29K)

TOTAL DOWN: -$615,000.00
TOTAL WINNING HORSES: 0
Average loss per horse: -$31,000.00

Looks like free money to me, fk it give m all the tickets they need and send out Ty cards

These aren't horses,these are pigeons with saddles

first of all that is only for the accounts we know of. 2 accts are unsearchable. these accounts are are still being made, a friend of mine got one a week ago. The total loss probably really close to a million. I said a million to multi millions.... multi meaning more than one. So yeah, I was right.

pretty sick tbh

multi million is a lot more than 1 million so yah your wrong u cant just throw out numbers

but u claim to have a million friends

and claim u have a problem with ma'ing and colluding [maybe]

so how can 1 person post all this stuff, holds back the evidence than speaks of friends tht do these things


answer these questions do these friends know youre on here posting this stuff ? do they know your p5's name?and have they said anythig to u about these posts[maybe they know its u maybe they dont]

I WILL SAY THIS ,IF ITS TRUE THESE ARE FREE TICKETS SOME1 IS IN THE HOLE HUGE AND IF ITS MERGE

THAN MERGE IS EITHER NOT KEEPING TRACK OF REAL FUNDS OR A SKIN FOUND SOME SHADY GLITCH

THATS A LOT OF MONEY TO JUST BE PHANTOM BREAD FLOATING AROUND

ALSO A LOT OF BREAD TO JUST FLAT OUT LOSE AND KEEP MAKING MORE ACCTS.

 

Originally Posted by tyson219

Your math is a bit off. The table I posted is correct. Here are a couple reasons you're a bit off:

1) I think your numbers include estimated rebuy expenses. The nature of the ticket accounts is that they can't rebuy, so you have to use the non rebuy ABI. For example, that puts Swish at 39k.
2) It 60% after stakeback, which puts a bit more money into the backers pockets.

But yeah, swish is the only account that has made them money and, on net, they've lost between 8k and 21k. I mean, basically the debate is between illegitimate tickets/tournament entries and a bad staking arrangement by an affiliate. You believe the first. I believe the second. I guess we can just leave it at that.

For what it's worth, if your numbers were correct, I would find it hard to dismiss the idea that something is up since total losses would be well over 50k. But I'm 95% sure the table I linked is correct, so the losses aren't nearly as bad.

So something is probably up with these tickets since i doubt any merge skin would start a staking deal this unprofitable and keep it going this long with so many horses. Forgive me btw Tyson I just read through this whole thread and noticed this.

Tickets out of thin air? Or is there another reason the skin would be able to continue so long on such a bad deal?

Btw, the issue with MAin account sharing and/or collusion is definitely what concerns me the most by far. Its something that affects my bottom line by a pretty decent % if indeed a large portion of the regs listed are involved in such shadiness. So please if anyone has any concrete evidence please come forward and out these people, it'll make merge a much more profitable and fun place to play for all of us that aren't involved with MAing etc.

I followed this on 2+2, and the CEO of Hero explained how all tickets are in the prize pool and also paid for by the site. If there is collusion and multi accounting then that is a huge problem, but this was back in February. So I think if the was something bad and Hero, Rpm each knew about it then dont you think Merge would have stopped it back then? On OPR it doesnt factor there rebuys and and addons either so they might not be down like you believe. Also, there are a ton of tournaments that dont show on there, I do know that for sure, because I checked my spreedsheets against them, that thing isnt correct at all.
I played against some of these had notes on a few, and seen nothing real weird. Im new to p5s just because 2 + 2 is down. My question to amec04, you actually broke the terms and conditions by playing under one of them, that seems alittle shady to me.
And the no make-up is that a fact, did sirswish say this. I find that really hard to believe. I have been staked a few times, didnt really work for me. And did he say that its unlimited. Just wanting to know from a guy that is accused of this. I have bragged to a few friends about a deal, and made up a few things just to make them jelous, so curious if this is one of them times.

Sharkscope has:
sambarn63 up $14k
nodojinmexico up $21k
thetoppeelback up $11k
swagconsultant down -33k

I didnt do them all just a few so there are some numbers really messed up somewhere.

I have no dog in this fight, I was one of the guys on 2 + 2 that kept asking about this, until the CEO of Hero explained how this actually works. If some of these guys have unlimited freerolls or whatever, I would think they would be more of a nit. I played a ft against error whatever and that guys is a complete nit!

Evechad, I didnt see where swish said that, and Im not calling you a liar either. If they were sharing accts then they should have been banned!! I emailed Merge about this months ago and was basically told that there was no issues then, I will be glad to do it again though. I dont want to be play against 3 different guys, this isnt baseball where you have a starter, middle guy then a closer.

If they had a issue with the tickets, I believe it would have been handled months ago. I asked about a staking deal back when RPM was offering this, and my stats at that time just wasnt there, I guess!

those numbers I posted are not how much each account is up or down. the numbers I posted were how much the BACKER was up or down with each horse. You can take 40% off the total prizes and give that to the horse, his cut. the backer gets 60% of the total prizes.

example: player A has played $120,000 worth of MTTs. Player A has cashed for $90,000. Right off the bat, the stacker is down $30,000 (90K - 120K = -30K). Pretty easy math. However, the horse keeps 40% of the cashes. 40% of $90,000 is $36,000. That is another $36K that the backer is down. 30K plus 36K = -$66,000 loss for the backer.

I used OPR without rebuys added in. For these accounts this is very accurate since they never rebuy or add on.

And if Merge misses tons of tournies then the total loss only grows