the owner of account lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll cant be that perfect of a guy if he has players playing the acct.

and different peeps playn same tourney at different times is bs as well,im not running any hud ,so if i start picking up some timing/ bet sizing tells im screwed in tht dept if its a revolving door,i just played tht guy and took 3rd but it didnt matter who i was playn i was super aggro tht tourney and tried to just steamroll it like a mad man so i know tht acct. didnt have any effect with the outcome.

amec why are u sayn these things thn holding out on outing these peeps,its not fair for the legit peeps playn

um, its pretty obvious MAing is happening, if you need a little notarized certificate of authenticity to tell you its happening then you'll be waiting a long time....

the issue now, is whether these tickets are truly accounted for and legitimate as its apparent to anyone who can do basic addition and subtraction that the arrangements these ticket accounts have can not be profitable for the backer which means that something isnt right here; no matter how you slice it people are not in the business of burning money.

so....

 

Originally Posted by donkiman

Perhaps we should contact the Kahnawakee Gaming Commission and ask if their regulatory body can confirm that merge has all player accounts accounted for. I know that this commission is completely worthless, but it would be interesting to have their statement in writing along with date of their last audit.

word of warning apparently KGC somehow/some reason gives the complaint information back to merge/skin in the event of a report and they will then sometimes close down the account of the person who filed the complaint and tell them they have the right to refuse their business and sometimes mention the complaints to the KGC as the reason.

just find that hilarious, im guessing there was some rigtard accusations somewhere along the way with these people but Id hate to see someone get their account closed for trying to do something about this.

 

Originally Posted by ktx49

um, its pretty obvious MAing is happening, if you need a little notarized certificate of authenticity to tell you its happening then you'll be waiting a long time....

the issue now, is whether these tickets are truly accounted for and legitimate as its apparent to anyone who can do basic addition and subtraction that the arrangements these ticket accounts have can not be profitable for the backer which means that something isnt right here; no matter how you slice it people are not in the business of burning money.

so....

I talked to the Hero Ceo on 2+2 and he confirmed that if a coupon is issued is comes right off there profits or whatever. If the site was back up I would copy the link. Also I believe either lock or RPM confirmed it on 2 + 2 also, so I think issue was dead along time ago. I believe the problem is if there MAing or colluding or account shareing.

 

Originally Posted by AMEC04

those numbers I posted are not how much each account is up or down. the numbers I posted were how much the BACKER was up or down with each horse. You can take 40% off the total prizes and give that to the horse, his cut. the backer gets 60% of the total prizes.

example: player A has played $120,000 worth of MTTs. Player A has cashed for $90,000. Right off the bat, the stacker is down $30,000 (90K - 120K = -30K). Pretty easy math. However, the horse keeps 40% of the cashes. 40% of $90,000 is $36,000. That is another $36K that the backer is down. 30K plus 36K = -$66,000 loss for the backer.

I used OPR without rebuys added in. For these accounts this is very accurate since they never rebuy or add on.

And if Merge misses tons of tournies then the total loss only grows

Thats if they are truly on no make-up. Are all the deals the same, and do they ever use there own money, which I assume they do, because I registered for a $82 game and names above were on that list. And you only have the option for money or points.

 

Originally Posted by mttgrinder90

I talked to the Hero Ceo on 2+2 and he confirmed that if a coupon is issued is comes right off there profits or whatever. If the site was back up I would copy the link. Also I believe either lock or RPM confirmed it on 2 + 2 also, so I think issue was dead along time ago. I believe the problem is if there MAing or colluding or account shareing.

Thats if they are truly on no make-up. Are all the deals the same, and do they ever use there own money, which I assume they do, because I registered for a $82 game and names above were on that list. And you only have the option for money or points.

My Point to AMEC is that the number you gave are way differnet then the number I received from sharkscope.

mttgrinder-
so we should just assume that nothing is wrong here in regards to the tickets themselves because a few people with a vested interest in the stability and image of Merge as a network have came out and protected their business, the way any sensible person would do.

however, that does NOT make it true or credible. its laughable that people arent more concerned here, i mean I understand that you guys trust the HERO CEO and he said that the tickets most be legit and paid for but its kind of dumb to even ask them; i mean its their business what do you expect them to say??

its like someone asking Bernie Madoff(before he got caught) if his funds were actually a good, profitable investment....and NO, im not comparing David Jung to Bernie Madoff, just saying its not exactly a neutral source of information.

its almost like they are holding out on purpose. blackmail-ish vibe from the get go, but who knows, maybe they are just legitimately concerned with their safety since the amount of money involved is becoming pretty substantial from what I can see.

who knows though, I do find the whole process strange.

 

Originally Posted by wackyJaxon

King or Evechad, can you post who it is?

I have no firsthand knowledge. I am not a good source. My info is secondhand at best.

Edit: I have merely watched this account and occasionally checked it against the location/activity of the alleged owner to see if he could feasibly be playing on it. If this account indeed belongs to this person, it is 100% being shared.

 

Originally Posted by KingTriton

I have no firsthand knowledge. I am not a good source. My info is secondhand at best.

Edit: I have merely watched this account and occasionally checked it against the location/activity of the alleged owner to see if he could feasibly be playing on it. If this account indeed belongs to this person, it is 100% being shared.

Fair enough about not posting if its second hand info as then its just spreading rumors which could be wrong and thus damaging to the wrong person. Hopefully Evechad posts his firsthand knowledge.

By the way, there are two "||||||||||" accounts. The one in question -- the original one -- is Location: Mexico. (the other one is US)

Bunch of here say ,nobody knows what all the deals are, for all u know they all owe 20 k each in mu,

I've read a ton of David Jung posts if he says it's legit thn I assume tickets are legit,that dude seems serious that he wouldn't want his skin jeapordized by some other skin being shady ,so now it comes down to the ma ing and colluding ,the so called rats in here aren't even full fledged rats snitching off half info, even the OP said he knows an acct was being played by someone else but didn't want to go that route! So why even mention it? This is a bunch of he said she said loaded with chicken shit accusations with no substantiate outing! Spit it out or x-out. Nuff said

 

Originally Posted by ktx49

^are they both ticket accounts?

The Mexico one is. Don't know about the new US one.

 

Originally Posted by jppp5039

When did this turn into a racist rant?

you see what you want to see.

if ur waiting on proof youre gonna be waiting a long time.... Im not going to post any. Im not the only one who knows the arragenments of this deal. In fact, a FeltStars rep was searchng for horses on PTP a while back before this all went down.

All in all, I have two probelms with situation.
1. Multi Accounting
2. Whether or not the tickets are paid with money out side of the segregated players fund. If this is player money being used for these tickets, then this is FTP all over again, allbeit on a smaller scale.

It is things like this that is why online poker is in the boat it is in right now in the US. And with all the shady practices of Merge since BF to lure US customers, I would not mind a bit of the DOJ stepped in tomorrow. Merge is everything that is wrong with online Poker. If the DOJ stepped in, would you get paid?

 

Originally Posted by AMEC04

if ur waiting on proof youre gonna be waiting a long time.... Im not going to post any. Im not the only one who knows the arragenments of this deal. In fact, a FeltStars rep was searchng for horses on PTP a while back before this all went down.

All in all, I have two probelms with situation.
1. Multi Accounting
2. Whether or not the tickets are paid with money out side of the segregated players fund. If this is player money being used for these tickets, then this is FTP all over again, allbeit on a smaller scale.

It is things like this that is why online poker is in the boat it is in right now in the US. And with all the shady practices of Merge since BF to lure US customers, I would not mind a bit of the DOJ stepped in tomorrow. Merge is everything that is wrong with online Poker. If the DOJ stepped in, would you get paid?

agree. I'm not going to give any names because its not going to get us anywhere, and several of my friends may have accounts which puts me in an awkward situation. the fact is they do exist, and Merge needs to stop Feltstars somehow

 

Originally Posted by RyJS

This is a massive problem in this community when players don't stick up for the general population of players and don't out MAs. It's a problem not only with the skins and merge as a whole but it involves personal decisions made by players to share accounts and steal equity from players trying to do things the right way. It's fucked up by anyone who knows specific names and doesn't do the right thing.

what would be the purpose of me giving names? How would that help solve the problem? we know the accounts and I (a person you are saying has a massive problem) have emailed merge a handful of times.. The accounts are the problem not the players...The whole tickets out of thin air generates account sharing, and I don't even blame the players for doing what they are doing. The people giving out the tickets are the criminals, and the players of merge are the victims. If the tickets were accounted for, or makeup was added to the deal, then it would not be profitable to share accounts. The players playing on the account are just doing what is in their best interest. The players playing on the accounts haven't really done anything wrong and shouldn't be held responsible for any wrong doing.