Agree, but as you said earlier, how large is the monetary range of this edge that was lost? A lot of stars would have to align correctly for it to be a large sum. A huge hand would have to occur at an ft between exactly one of those 2 accounts vs someone who had a lot of history with this player on Stars/Merge and the hand would have to be close enough that extensive player reads would effect a calling/shoving range. Sure it could have happened, but it isn't something that crossed my mind at any point before those 2 accounts were outed.

 

Originally Posted by ktx49

perfectly fine response. thanks bro, no sarcasm either.

seriously that right there was all i wanted to hear from you for months now....and my original read on your involvement in this whole thing was spot on, if you remember chatting in that $109 cubed a while back. i actually feel for you, if this is the case....

either way, you've done the right thing and I will bet that people will be much more forgiving of someone like you and chad, than someone who never said anything at all.

Thanks, thats pretty much why I never addressed some things bc I just don't want get in the middle of something I don't have info on as it could get pretty messy. I guess I just never stated such in a post.

 

Originally Posted by evechad

everyone is on a hunt here to lynch some mtt regs instead of discussing the ticket issue.

Ugh. You really don't grasp why quite a few of us don't care about the ticket accounts anymore? It's completely unprovable speculation. CEOs of merge skins have cleared them. Sayin it's legitimate. There has been no proof other than the assumption that no one would make such a deal because it appears to be unprofitable. Nothin further than that can really be proven.

What can be proven is regs who have been account sharing. That can be proven based on people coming forth who know the truth about certain accounts and then you can match up databases like has already been done to prove or disprove who cant account for times when their online account was playing while they were playing live.

I understand that you're unwilling to give any of the info that would be beneficial at this point. So just stop with the snarky remarks and shut your mouth.

I can honestly say that i havent swish in regards to the TOS. You probably talk to 10x the amount of people than I do so statistics speak for themselves. I hope you understand alot more where I and a bunch of other people are coming from now.

 

Originally Posted by melano

I can honestly say that i havent swish in regards to the TOS. You probably talk to 10x the amount of people than I do so statistics speak for themselves. I hope you understand alot more where I and a bunch of other people are coming from now.

Its not like I didn't understand your viewpoint, I didn't know what said viewpoint was. It's just that the phrase "stealing equity" was thrown about for about 15 pages w/o any explanation at all even when I asked multiple times. This whole situation is incredibly frustrating and I'm really tired of people attacking me every single day over the same shit. I've wanted to know who was playing on certain accounts many times over the years on pokerstars and Merge, because I just knew there was no way this new account could just emerge suddenly, or this old account's playing style could change so drastically overnight. I'm sure I've been effected dozens of times because of this but that's just one of the nuances of online poker. That doesn't make it right, but its something that I've had to accept.

 

Originally Posted by elgordo420

im not saying nothing just reading along and trying to understand but i never knew what is going on. It just looks super shady but i probably do the same thing so relaxxx

Honestly, I'm not going to relax. If you haven't noticed this thread has been a huge pain in the ass, and I don't need you in here needling me.

 

Originally Posted by ktx49

so see, this is where i kind of understand evechads and the other guys point, because if the backer is looking for people to play on the account as much as possible, and is handing out an endless supply of tickets(wtf? how w/ out stakeback or MU?) even when they lose tens of thousands of dollars...i mean the horses arent really gonna matter are they? hell they'll even get smarter about it and make sure to never link any big names to any accounts but yet the same people could still be taking over accounts etc and still taking "equity" from the regs etc.

either way you look at this, its shit and somehow we think if we probe it enough its gonna turn to gold but in reality we are just gonna have a bigger pile of shit.

i mean really, how many people have contacted merge, how many times have i challenged a merge rep to come refute anything ive speculated about, its obvious they dont care, or dont have the resources to even appear to care. so all of this is gonna be for nothing if merge doesnt do anything about it....

It's not a fact that the backer is looking for people that would play as much as possible. I'm sure its very beneficial to him, but just bc that's true doesn't make the other true. I can safely say that he has never encouraged/condoned account sharing to my knowledge.

 

Originally Posted by sirswish6

It's not a fact that the backer is looking for people that would play as much as possible. I'm sure its very beneficial to him, but just bc that's true doesn't make the other true. I can safely say that he has never encouraged/condoned account sharing to my knowledge.

Considering you have said you don't know everyone who is ticket holders i guess you can't safely say that he has never encouraged this type of activity? And as you are the winningest player in the stable?? Then I guess he may have to, to the others, to get them to win as much as you do?

Have you also by chance said to your room mates that this sharing should stop? Have you explained that you don't need to do it to win, as proved by your stats? That it is wrong and quite possibly they will be found out and then their names will be mud, or don't they care?

Is your backer a P5's member?

Is this the same backer who backs you on PS? If not does your PS backer know about this feltstars deal?

I realise some of my questions are quite personal and you don't need to answer them if you don't wish to.

Cheers Norv

ps btw I think you have handled yourself with dignity in this thread with your responses to the questions posed and it is good that you can see the viewpoints of other members, could you possibly point this thread out to your room mates?

excellent post.

although TBH, I'm not so sure I'd be very satisfied if Merge simply comes out and says they are aware of the problem and/or looking into it.....but thats just me.

the problem we face is that Merge has all of the american players by the balls basically.... they know they are the only real game in town per say.
so from a business perspective, I don't see why they need to do anything at all...or even spend any amount of time, money, and/or resources looking into this problem. some would argue that this is simply not true and that merge has a lot to lose here, but in reality, nobody is going to stop playing on there because of this kind of thing, and as long as people are getting their money on and off the site in reasonable time frames they will keep humming along until the feds step in.

if merge did not consist of 99% american 1% ROW(yes i made that up) players and they were actively targeting and marketing to ROW players(like pstars did), then maybe I'd feel like Merge had something to lose....but the reality is they appear to have no interest in a long term future for their site; basically taking full advantage of the void left after the Feds ravaged their competition.
....and in general, id have a lot more confidence in them if they would come out and assure all their customers that their funds are safe and segregated. instead, we get one or two skins who are trying to use that line as a clever marketing ploy.

anyways my point about this is that I dont think we should hold our breaths waiting for merge to step in here.

Truth is, everyone knows most of these accounts are account sharing. Truth is, no one can say for sure if these tickets are actually paid for. Instead of worrying about your personal bottom line, you ticket account holders should be more worried about the future of online poker and where your personal future stands. Online poker is in the state it is in because of BS like this. The amount of stealing, scandals, cheating, and colluding is astronimical in the online poker world. No wonder entire countries are banning it. Until it is regulated, all of you will be nothing more than selfish, lying scumbag cheaters who only care you own short-term financial well-being. Greed is killing you. This is the reputation poker players have had for decades and will continue to have with the continued "all I care about is me" attitude you all have.

 

Originally Posted by AMEC04

Truth is, everyone knows most of these accounts are account sharing. Truth is, no one can say for sure if these tickets are actually paid for. Instead of worrying about your personal bottom line, you ticket account holders should be more worried about the future of online poker and where your personal future stands. Online poker is in the state it is in because of BS like this. The amount of stealing, scandals, cheating, and colluding is astronimical in the online poker world. No wonder entire countries are banning it. Until it is regulated, all of you will be nothing more than selfish, lying scumbag cheaters who only care you own short-term financial well-being. Greed is killing you. This is the reputation poker players have had for decades and will continue to have with the continued "all I care about is me" attitude you all have.

csb

I think this Thread has gone for a longggg time..if you are a u.s. player quit playing on merge? Move to a different country so you can play on poker stars again..this sounds like a bunch of whining to me..Is it necessary or productive? At the end of the day what do you expect to accomplish?

 

Originally Posted by AMEC04

Truth is, everyone knows most of these accounts are account sharing. Truth is, no one can say for sure if these tickets are actually paid for. Instead of worrying about your personal bottom line, you ticket account holders should be more worried about the future of online poker and where your personal future stands. Online poker is in the state it is in because of BS like this. The amount of stealing, scandals, cheating, and colluding is astronimical in the online poker world. No wonder entire countries are banning it. Until it is regulated, all of you will be nothing more than selfish, lying scumbag cheaters who only care you own short-term financial well-being. Greed is killing you. This is the reputation poker players have had for decades and will continue to have with the continued "all I care about is me" attitude you all have.

This might be the most hypocritical post of the thread. You admit to using a friend's ticket account yourself. You know the name of the account you are using, yet won't share it if this is true using some lame excuse as to why you won't. While at the time, I felt it was fine if you don't want to share, after this post it is both hypocritical and ridiculous you feel you can point the finger at people thinking for themselves. I'm not sure if this post was just to call yourself a cheater, if it was general trolling, or just jealousy. Why should the people taking tickets that are otherwise being honest not do this when its within the rules? You are the one that admitted breaking the rules, not people taking tickets that are playing their accounts themselves.

 

Originally Posted by AMEC04

Truth is, everyone knows most of these accounts are account sharing. Truth is, no one can say for sure if these tickets are actually paid for. Instead of worrying about your personal bottom line, you ticket account holders should be more worried about the future of online poker and where your personal future stands. Online poker is in the state it is in because of BS like this. The amount of stealing, scandals, cheating, and colluding is astronimical in the online poker world. No wonder entire countries are banning it. Until it is regulated, all of you will be nothing more than selfish, lying scumbag cheaters who only care you own short-term financial well-being. Greed is killing you. This is the reputation poker players have had for decades and will continue to have with the continued "all I care about is me" attitude you all have.

than kik rox, this forum is for poker players ........not poker haters

 

Originally Posted by double_kyan

than kik rox, this forum is for poker players ........not poker haters

and if you cared so much you wouldnt waste our time with half stories

 

Originally Posted by KingTriton

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what is this list based on?

sorry if explained earlier, grunching.

ok makes sense, thank you and thank you =)

check it again, they arent playing satties tot he high roller. they play satties to the 530 buy in events