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  1. I've been playing online poker for just over 1 year now and I started playing on pokerstars. I really enjoy playing mtt's and obviously love playing at a higher stakes. I was having some minor success on stars but nothing that great at all. After growing sick and tired of the bad beats I decided to try out full tilt and I was absolutely amazed at a how well I was doing.

    I tend to be on the nittier side by nature but I have studied the online mtt game by reading, watching videos and railing a bunch of the top guys on here and as a result of that I've really started to understand a lot more theories and can generally see what people are trying to do.... this has helped me get a bit more aggressive with my opening and 3/4 betting ranges.

    but heres my question that I need help with.....

    In only 2 months and under 120 mtt's on full tilt I earned over 13 k in winnings and on stars I'm absolutely terrible. Ive played in nearly 1200 tourneys and Ive earned just over 28 k with an ROI of -24% (I know, I suck)

    in my limited experience on tilt I loved the blind structure because even though it went up every 12 minutes as opposed to stars 15 minutes it always seemed like you could keep above the 20-30 bb threshold with good play and when you got near or on the final table there was still poker to be played because people were still deep stacked and weren't forced to shove any two decent cards.

    I know this has been long winded but I just wanna know if any of you out there who have had success on both sites could possibly guide or help me with any alterations (if any) that they make to their game for stars vs full tilt. I know that there isn't some magic answer thats gonna put me in the top 100 but any help or thoughts would be appreciated

    thanks for listening
     
  2. cant play on full tilt

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  3. He wasn't asking anything about playing on Full Tilt though. He was asking for tips on adjusting his game to the stars blind structures after being used to Tilts structures. I unfortunately cannot answer this because I never played on Stars.
  4. To be honest, you're probably not very good and have bad game selection. You have terrible stats in all stars MTTs above $10. On FTP, you have a couple decent scores in small field MTTs at higher stakes. But if you have to ask the questions you're asking, you shouldn't have been playing $163 KOs and $75 FOs and probably just got lucky.

    Focus on BRM and game selection if you want to do well. It's not a Stars v. FTP issue. Invest in a training site or coach and don't try to play the high stakes stuff without have the requisite skill.
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    Originally Posted by tyson219 View Post

    To be honest, you're probably not very good and have bad game selection. You have terrible stats in all stars MTTs above $10. On FTP, you have a couple decent scores in small field MTTs at higher stakes. But if you have to ask the questions you're asking, you shouldn't have been playing $163 KOs and $75 FOs and probably just got lucky.

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  6. thanks for the help boys

    very useful and informative

    didnt I say that I suck and my roi is negative... so ya, thanks for restating the obvious

    and as for telling me what I should and shouldnt play......

    at what point did I even mention that I care about the money or bankroll? not everybody plays poker for a living and some people do very well outside of poker and only do this for the fun, challenge, and glory but of course a monster payout would be awesome too, no doubt.

    I'll play in whatever I feel like and I'm not gonna be stuck playing nothing but low bs like your sorry ass

    All I was inquiring about was peoples thoughts and approaches on the difference in structure but I guess this appears to be too stupid of a question or just too elementary/below everyone here.

    anyways, thanks for taking the opportunity to rag on me with the obvious and when I continue to learn, experiment and improve throughout my second year of playing online.... I will make sure to throw it in your face every chance I can get on here.

    not you mcandrews.... your a beast... I understand the +1

    even though its not exactly a good natured or hearted reply by Mr mod in any way
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Sep 8th, 2011 at 12:09 PM
     
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    Originally Posted by chicodeoro View Post

    thanks for the help boys

    didnt I say that I suck and my roi is negative... so ya, thanks for restating the obvious

    and as for telling me what I should and shouldnt play......

    at what point did I even mention that I care about the money or bankroll? not everybody plays poker for a living and some people do very well outside of poker and only do this for the fun, challenge, and glory but of course a monster payout would be awesome too, no doubt.

    I'll play in whatever I feel like and I'm not gonna be stuck playing nothing but low bs like your sorry ass

    anyways, thanks for taking the opportunity to rag on me with the obvious and when I continue to learn, experiment and improve throughout my second year of playing online.... I will make sure to throw it in your face every chance I can get on here.

    not you mcandrews.... your a beast... I understand the +1

    even though its not exactly a good natured or hearted reply by Mr mod in any way

    Man, I feel sorry for you. You obviously misunderstood what he was trying to say. You might wanna check into who you are running your mouth to about playing low b.s. like your sorry ass. Tbh, Tyson is as nice a guy as you will ever meet and you must not realize the skill the guy has. Truth hurts man, I suck @ the pokaz now but have come a long way in the last few months. Pre BF I thought I did everything right. Gawd, I was so wrong.

    Might wanna look more at yourself instead of bashing on people giving you an honest opinion. Or better yet, don't post this garbage unless you are ready to hear what people say. And fwiw, if your roi is -24%, how the hell is it possible to have earned 28k?
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Sep 8th, 2011 at 12:08 PM
     
  8.  
    Originally Posted by chicodeoro View Post

    thanks for the help boys

    very useful and informative

    didnt I say that I suck and my roi is negative... so ya, thanks for restating the obvious

    and as for telling me what I should and shouldnt play......

    at what point did I even mention that I care about the money or bankroll? not everybody plays poker for a living and some people do very well outside of poker and only do this for the fun, challenge, and glory but of course a monster payout would be awesome too, no doubt.

    I'll play in whatever I feel like and I'm not gonna be stuck playing nothing but low bs like your sorry ass

    All I was inquiring about was peoples thoughts and approaches on the difference in structure but I guess this appears to be too stupid of a question or just too elementary/below everyone here.

    anyways, thanks for taking the opportunity to rag on me with the obvious and when I continue to learn, experiment and improve throughout my second year of playing online.... I will make sure to throw it in your face every chance I can get on here.

    not you mcandrews.... your a beast... I understand the +1

    even though its not exactly a good natured or hearted reply by Mr mod in any way

    Tyson and others thought you posted this thread for advise, not for people to sugarcoat their responses. Your feelings shouldn't get hurt when you put this stuff out there for people to critique and they offer their advice. Tyson's understanding of the game and his ability to give advise on the board has proven itself time and time again. If you don't want to listen to advice when you asked for it, its fine, but to bash someone in a very unfounded and untrue way that took the time to give you good advice is very immature, and I am wondering why you posted this thread and put your stats out there on stars if you didn't want advice from people on the boards.
    Edited By: wackyJaxon Sep 8th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
  9. wow man, he was giving u sound advise, u took this too personal and got a lil butt hurt and went way overboard ,nobody on here is going too read wht tyson wrote and than start laughn their asses off, it totally isn't like tht , believe it , good luck out there
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    Originally Posted by chicodeoro View Post

    thanks for the help boys

    very useful and informative

    didnt I say that I suck and my roi is negative... so ya, thanks for restating the obvious

    and as for telling me what I should and shouldnt play......

    at what point did I even mention that I care about the money or bankroll? not everybody plays poker for a living and some people do very well outside of poker and only do this for the fun, challenge, and glory but of course a monster payout would be awesome too, no doubt.

    I'll play in whatever I feel like and I'm not gonna be stuck playing nothing but low bs like your sorry ass

    All I was inquiring about was peoples thoughts and approaches on the difference in structure but I guess this appears to be too stupid of a question or just too elementary/below everyone here.

    anyways, thanks for taking the opportunity to rag on me with the obvious and when I continue to learn, experiment and improve throughout my second year of playing online.... I will make sure to throw it in your face every chance I can get on here.

    not you mcandrews.... your a beast... I understand the +1

    even though its not exactly a good natured or hearted reply by Mr mod in any way

    Sorry you feel that way.

    A few things:
    1) I recommended investing in a training site or coach. If you're losing in low/mid stakes MTTs on stars, you could use one. That's useful advice, whether you want to admit it or not. Those games are easy to beat if you play fundamentally sound poker.
    2) Poker is more fun when you win. If you don't care about a bankroll or making money, all the more reason to follow #1, because you'll enjoy it a hell of a lot more if you're winning.
    3) Your sample size on FTP is pretty small. You could play another 500 games and never win and your stats would be the same as Stars.
    4) I don't think you're going to get much useful advice about how to play on Stars v. FTP with respect to the different structures. Poker is a situtational game. You play a certain way based on stack sizes, table dynamics and opponents. Stars and FTP had different structures at different stakes and at different points in the tournament. Maybe you do well because it's Stars v. FTP issue. Maybe it's because you won mtts on FTP that had longer blind intervals. Maybe it was because the fields were smaller and there were less hands on the bubble. It could be a variety of factors. There's no "solution" to your problem. Learn to play a 50bb stack. Learn to play a 25bb stack. Learn to exploit a long bubble, learn to exploit a short bubble. etc. etc. etc. That's all it comes down to. And if you can't realize that, you're not going to regularly win at high stakes tournaments without seriously improving your game.
    5) I don't want you to fail. Throw whatever you want in my face, I honestly won't care either way. You asked for advice and I responded, take it or leave it -- your choice.

    Lastly, this isn't about me. My stats are irrelevant. I played/play in the games where I think I am +EV. That used to be low/mid stakes and now it's a bit more. The only reason I moved up is because I started working with a number of good players and changed my approach to the game. It made me better. And that's why I suggest training sites/coaches.
  11. i wouldnt waste your time tyson he obv doesnt appreciate it
  12. I apologize tyson.

    I took what you were saying out of context and I had checked on it and then end of a stressful day of work and in retrospect I think I just felt like going off someone and it ended up being here on you.

    your right about the coaching aspect and I was never trying to say I have 28k in earnings when Ive go a -roi...I meant prizes obviously.

    I dont like to lose at anything. I'm a very competitive guy and I really do like to be the best at everything I do, sometimes that can get the best of me.

    Your third and fourth point are bang on and I'm sure if something had been written like that originally I wouldn't havent been pissed. It just seemed rude and dismissive at the time

    thanks for your response and advice and once again.... Sorry about that
     
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