[mtstackin88]

As far as I know there's no way to add rakeback to an existing accout. Is this true? Does anyone know if FTP would allow a termination of an account in order to make a new one with rakeback? Thanks for any help....

[DEApoker87]

http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-for...0_-FAQ-3418407 should find all your answers there...

[crowstone]

As a side note, can someone please explain WHY older accounts cannot get setup with rakeback? All the old timers that were playing like 2 or 3 years ago get completely screwed through this.

[Autolobotomist playing air is my style? so what]

The reason why is that rakeback has nothing to do with FTP. In order to drive new business and attract new players FTP pays affiliate websites (like p5s) that refer players to them a portion of those players' rake. When you follow a link from a website (like p5s) to the website of an online cardroom the site knows that you were directed there from the specific affiliate site whose link you followed. When you download and install the software and start playing real money games FTP is now contractually obligated to the site that generated this business for them to share a third of your rake. It's just the same as Chevy paying CBS to run a Silverado ad during the Superbowl except that instead of paying a flat fee like Chevy for the advertising FTP has agreed to pay a portion of your rake on an ongoing and permanent basis.

Eventually affiliates got smart and realized that the best way to get a new player to sign up to FTP through their site instead of another affiliate was to offer you a portion of their cut of your rake.

If you followed a link to FTP through any other poker website then your account is "tagged" to that site and FTP is paying that site a third of your rake. If that affiliate is willing to share part of that rake with you fantastic! If not there's nothing FTP can do about it short of giving another third of your rake to a second affiliate to share with you, and frankly they're not going to keep 1/3rd and give away 2/3rds.

What you should do is to email FTP support and ask to which affiliate your account is tagged. If it's tagged to a current rakeback provider then you can contact the support department of that site and ask to register your FTP screenname for rakeback. This is what happened to me. I had followed an affiliate's link to the FTP page, started playing and when I learned about rakeback I emailed the affiliate I went through and asked why I wasn't getting rakeback even though they are a site that exists solely for rakeback. I had never told them what my FTP screenname was so they had no idea what account to ship my rakeback to. they were even cool enough to give me a month of retroactive rakeback.

If you never followed a link to FTP.com from an affiliate site then your account is not "tagged". Your account is not associated with an affiliate and FTP is keeping all of your rake. If that's the case a rakeback affiliate can often have your account tagged to them after the fact and can get a cut of your rake and in turn will be willing to give you a cut of their cut. Additionally, on rare occasions FTP wil allow non-tagged accounts to be assigned on a mass basis. Ask about this if FTP support says your account is not tagged to an affiliate.

[Adam Emperor]

This is mostly true, but missing some things. It's a good start, and definitely useful

What follows is that not all affiliates are capable of giving legacy players rakeback. Many affiliates are paid one time for new players they bring, rather than a lifetime % of that player's rake. In those cases, it's not possible to pay players rakeback.

Also, affiliate relationships (by definition) exist solely between poker sites and affiliates, not between poker sites and players or between affiliates and players. We'll call this Relationship 1, and the relationship is defined as such:

Party A (the poker website) has a need for new players.

Party B (the affiliate) has something to offer, such as traffic on their website, connections to poker players, etc.

Party A makes a contractual agreement with Party B to give them some form of compensation for new players who come in from Party B's trackers.

Now...

Some affiliates have expanded this agreement, generally by their own choice and out of a similar need as that of Party A. We'll call this Relationship 2:

Party B has a need to get players playing under their tracker, in order to earn x% revenue sharing or a one time payment...

Party C (each individual player) is looking to join a poker site but isn't sure which to join or how they're going to sign up.

Party B makes a contractual agreement with Party C that if Party C signs up through the links on Party B's website, Party B will give Party C something of substance in return. For instance, some websites (such as our free training program) offer some sort of one-time gift. Others offer what we've all come to know as rakeback.

Relationship 2 doesn't really involve the poker site, although in today's climate, many poker sites help to facilitate this form of relationship. The important thing to understand here is that Relationship 2 is a product being offered by affiliates (such as P5s), rather than by poker sites (such as Full Tilt Poker). If the affiliate isn't getting paid for a player because that isn't a new player on a revenue sharing plan, then they in turn can't offer that player rakeback. Full Tilt doesn't want to start paying some affiliate x% of a player's revenue when they already have that player signed up; they're only looking to pay affiliates for new players they brought in.

[zander anomaly in his crotch]

 

Originally Posted by Autolobotomist

What you should do is to email FTP support and ask to which affiliate your account is tagged. If it's tagged to a current <a href='http://rakeback.pocketfives.com' target='blank'>rakeback</A> provider then you can contact the support department of that site and ask to register your FTP screenname for rakeback. This is what happened to me. I had followed an affiliate's link to the FTP page, started playing and when I learned about rakeback I emailed the affiliate I went through and asked why I wasn't getting rakeback even though they are a site that exists solely for rakeback. I had never told them what my FTP screenname was so they had no idea what account to ship my rakeback to. they were even cool enough to give me a month of retroactive rakeback.

If you never followed a link to FTP.com from an affiliate site then your account is not "tagged". Your account is not associated with an affiliate and FTP is keeping all of your rake. If that's the case a <a href='http://rakeback.pocketfives.com' target='blank'>rakeback</A> affiliate can often have your account tagged to them after the fact and can get a cut of your rake and in turn will be willing to give you a cut of their cut. Additionally, on rare occasions FTP wil allow non-tagged accounts to be assigned on a mass basis. Ask about this if FTP support says your account is not tagged to an affiliate.

FTP support refuses to answer the question of which affiliate my account is tagged with, making this very difficult unfortunately.

[mtstackin88]

k thanks ill email ftp and see wuts up

[zander anomaly in his crotch]

Obviously I would like rakeback but have no recollection of which site I went through. In all honesty it could have been p5s because I joined FTP after the UIGEA fiasco and was on these forums looking for help with the shenanigans at Pokerroom, but I went to several sites checking out which sites I could play back when I had a Mac.

Full Tilt's support, obviously happy to have jobs after they couldn't hold McDonald's jobs, has done a bangup job of sending me the same form letters over and over without answering my questions, inserting subtle insults but refusing repeatedly through some phantom arrangement with the rakeback sites to even answer the question of where I signed up to the site.

Funny I even threatened to take my 30-40k of rake elsewhere every year and that didn't even faze their bullshit parade. WTF can I do to stop being screwed by these idiots aside from move to stars? I'm not the sort of person who could do the second account thing and sleep at night, so that's not an option. Unfortunately, being possessed of morals tends to get you screwed by FTP. I might have helped them uncover a ring of German SNG bots cheating the system, but if that wasn't deserving of a thank you or any other details of the investigation, it certainly wasn't deserving of allowing me to have my rakeback rather than giving it to some shadow company about whom they refuse to even divulge a name so i can push for the rakeback my self.

Help plz.

[Adam Emperor]

Zander,

I think your best option, if rakeback is a big concern, is to choose another site and be sure to sign up with rakeback. Cake is a great option, or a skin of the Cake network. There are a lot of cash tables going on all the time, and the promotions offered by sites like ours make it well worth it.

I wish I could give you some good news about FTP, but if there's some affiliate collecting a percentage of your rake, it's definitely not us. We stopped signing up players on rev. sharing out of legal concerns back in mid-2006, and you said you've signed up at some point since the UIGEA.

It's a difficult situation for players such as yourself. Full Tilt certainly doesn't want to lose your business, but they also don't want to lose the help of their affiliates, many of whom bring them huge amounts of new players. It's in many ways a no-win situation for them. In your case, though, it's quite possibly in your best interest to simply go with another poker site for the majority of your action. There are several good choices, even for US players.

[rawz]

I signed up with FTP literally the first months they were open and i signed up directly but yet they say i can not get rake back because i am assigned an affiliate .

I never visited any board, affiliate, site or anything that could possibly have cookied me to an affiliate sign up but yet still no rake back ....

[willbec1]

What if those people who made a bonus account could forfeit iron man status, for rakeback, or opt out of the freeroll tourny and bonus medals and get rakeback from the month or something. I know i would def get iron-iron man if it meant i could get full rakeback. PLZ full tilt im begging do something

[mesaplayeraz]

Sighs.....

[DaEmbezzler]

How about just making everyone, uh even old members, elegible for rakebake....end thread.

[zander anomaly in his crotch]

 

Originally Posted by DaEmbezzler

How about just making everyone, uh even old members, elegible for rakebake....end thread.

this. unfortunately chimps are behind the wheel.

[Red Bull 023]

I already have an existing account on both Stars and Full Tilt so my question is does anybody know if there is a way to get rakeback with an existing account on either site? Also if not what have some of you done to combat this?

[Adam Emperor]

Hi -- please read the sticky post on this issue for detailed information.

To be brief, you can't get rakeback on Stars (no one can), and you can't be retagged or start a new account on Full Tilt, though some people have succeeded getting into their in house program by emailing Full Tilt support and asking to get on the list for that.

You may be best suited to start an account on a new site for rakeback, such as Cake Poker, as rakeback on Full Tilt may take a while to get or could likely not even be a possibility for you.

[Bama1988]

Can I still sign up for rakeback with an existing ftp account?

[Adam Emperor]

Hi,

The answer is generally no, unfortunately. There's a sticky post in this forum with more information about this. If you have other questions that aren't answered there, please feel free to post them.

--Adam

[dls24]

Hey, I have a full tilt poker account and am not getting rakeback. Is there a way to get rakeback? If not, could I just delete my account and start a new one to get the rakeback? Thanks for any help!

[Frank1The1Tank]

No you cannot, and it is difficult to get rakeback on an existing account but e-mail them about it.

[sandler1860]

check out this thread:
http://www.pocketfives.com/poker-for...ilt-rake-back_
3F003F00_-3863967/p/3877417#3877417

[dls24]

thanks

[myzislow]

Is there anyway to get rakeback setup on Full Tilt with your existing account? I've never really looked into rakeback before but since I'm starting to transistion to cash games I figure it would be advantageous to get if possible. Any info you could share would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[Adam Emperor]

Hi,

Please read the sticky in this forum on this topic. The short answer is that you can't do it through someone like P5s, but Full Tilt may hook you up directly if you email them.

If you can't get rakeback there, you should definitely look into rakeback on Cake Poker or one of the other sites we offer here. There are several good alternatives.

--Adam

[icbigfoot]

I have an old account on full tilt and I need to get rakeback. Is there any way to get it even though the account has already been established?

[MYBLUEDOG]

There are a few RB sites that will add you to their rake list if you haven't been active in the last six months. I don't know if P5's does this or not.

Click on the RB info and ask!

[Adam Emperor]

 

Originally Posted by MYBLUEDOG

There are a few RB sites that will add you to their rake list if you haven't been active in the last six months. I don't know if P5's does this or not.

Click on the RB info and ask!

This isn't quite accurate... Full Tilt has an in-house program called RakeBackPros that can sometimes get an existing player rakeback. You have to email Full tilt's support to get on the list for that. None of the other rakeback sites can get existing players rakeback, as Full Tilt generally does not retag players to new affiliates or allow players to create new accounts.

[RapidRevilo]

this is gonna sounds stupid - but i kinda missed the whole rakeback boat...

do you HAVE to join a new site in order to get it? or can it apply to an existing account?? Surely there are heaps of players who have been playing on stars since birth and havent had to re-join a site in order to get rakeback....

I've been with stars since late '06 and i dont want to make a new account for me to get it. Is there anyway i can still join a rakeback program? did i miss something?

Sorry if this is a re-re-re-re-repost, but it seems everyone has rakeback but me.....

[Adam Emperor]

Yes, it's for new accounts only, but there are more sites to play on than you know. Nobody gets rakeback on Stars, though their VIP program (which everyone gets) is comparable. I'm moving this post to the rakeback forum...

I'd highly recommend joining a new site if rakeback is something you'd like to get in on. We've got a lot of great deals here: rakeback.pocketfives.com.

--Adam

[RapidRevilo]

 

Originally Posted by Adam

Nobody gets <a href='http://rakeback.pocketfives.com' target='blank'>rakeback</A> on Stars

--Adam

What? You read all the time on the boards about people getting rakeback on stars? please clarify.

Cheers,

Pete