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Will Bodog be seized by the US government just like the other sites?

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  1. Dingo10886 Dingo10886 is offline

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    Apr 17th, 2011 (4/17/2011 6:14pm)

    what is the deal with Bodog? Will the government go after them next?
  2. stackinsideways stackinsideways is offline

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    Apr 17th, 2011 (4/17/2011 6:51pm) in reply to Dingo10886

    this is exactly what Im wondering. if anybody should be taking this hit its them. the amount of illegal sports betting there is absolutely insane.

    is the Kahnawake Gaming Commision really immune to this? cuz if so there might be a light at the end of this tunnel that isnt soooo far away
     
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    Apr 17th, 2011 (4/17/2011 8:11pm) in reply to stackinsideways

     
    Originally Posted by stackinsideways View Post

    this is exactly what Im wondering. if anybody should be taking this hit its them. the amount of illegal sports betting there is absolutely insane.

    is the Kahnawake Gaming Commision really immune to this? cuz if so there might be a light at the end of this tunnel that isnt soooo far away

    i believe KGC has the licensing authority for UB... so it's not a KGC thing. It's a *who turned in what processor etc* thing.
     
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    Apr 17th, 2011 (4/17/2011 8:55pm) in reply to bonflizubi

    Didnt they arrest the bodog owner once? I remember the good old days before the uigea, they had the bodog girls at the wsop convention vendor show, and you waited in line to go into a room and get in bed with the scantiy clad bodog girls and have a pillow fight with them.
    Edited By: russdog Apr 17th, 2011 at 08:55 PM
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    Apr 17th, 2011 (4/17/2011 9:06pm) in reply to russdog

    My *guess* is that they've already gathered information about other sites along with the three that got taken down. Mind you, it's all a guess right now. But if they have done some preliminary investigations into other sites it appears as if they didn't have enough to bring them down YET. But with the obvious disdain the DOJ seems to have for these sites, i'd bet the last of my BR that they'll keep on searching until they do find what they need to go after more sites.
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    Apr 17th, 2011 (4/17/2011 10:41pm) in reply to amymarie1967

    Saw something somewhere about how Bodog is potentially shielded from some of this because of "indigenous rights" or words to that effect. It may all be BS but their servers are located on an Indian reservation and they are operated by Morris Mohawk, iirc.
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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 12:07am) in reply to threebanger

    Yes they will and should

    They follow the same exact depsit method as absolute poker.. In short, when you deposit, it comes from some bogus company you will never heard off. That was in the statement of indictment, I would stay away for now, you could get into federal trouble if you play and they give you a warning, control yourself or go to the casino
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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 12:27am) in reply to Unreal03

     
    Originally Posted by Unreal03 View Post

    Yes they will and should

    They follow the same exact depsit method as absolute poker.. In short, when you deposit, it comes from some bogus company you will never heard off. That was in the statement of indictment, I would stay away for now, you could get into federal trouble if you play and they give you a warning, control yourself or go to the casino

    Playing online poker is not illegal in my jurisdiction. I'd be willing to violently dispute the notion I can't play online poker in my own home.
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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 12:46am) in reply to threebanger

    This is an opinion. The fact and the matter is that the gov't thinks its illegal and they put warnings on all those poker sites...

    Bodog wasnt big enough to go after. But they do follow the same exact deposit method as AP, so go for a double gamble if you want..
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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 1:33am) in reply to Unreal03

    The warnings on the poker sites post the laws that pertain to site operators, not players, even if they deposit and withdraw money. But I get it, you don't like Bodog and you will certainly not be playing illegal poker online anymore.
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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 1:35am) in reply to threebanger

    I have an understanding of how the criminal justice system works and believe me, this is not the end of sites domains being seized. Bodog, cake, doylesroom, you name it will fall. There is a reason the DOJ was able to do this, one man, previously arrested was able to provide enough information that effectively shutdown 3 major poker sites and froze millions in online accounts and assets. The 11 arrested individuals will be sweated, with fear of going to prison for 30 years....they will throw countless others under the bus in effort to save their own asses....

    The feds don't mess around and there is no early release from prison...they give you. 10 years...u are doing 10 years..not like localities where u get out after serving a third sometimes...

    As far as funds seized or frozen..barring a trial where the defendant's are fully exonorated or not guilty...all those monies you have tied up online are frozen indefinitely with zero chance of a cashout. The feds have, and this is for US players..seized your money....those funds will be kept under forfeiture guidelines and will be used in a general expense pool that the DOJ uses to fund certain overt or covert operations. Think of the Feds seizing all that property from the.mo people.over the last decade or so.

    In the least...expect this whole thing to be tied up in the court system for years before a trial ever gets underway...the money laundering and tax evasion against these companies is near concrete....this something these arrested people will have to ponder and think about their families and future...

    When u deposit...like the indictment says..you are billed by some ficticous company for golfballs or jewelry in order to get those funds into your poker account....you...or.more specifically; the poker site, is using fraud to bypass the American banking system...this.is a groundball for the feds and cannot be challenged...now multiply by tens of thousands on all the sites....think about it...

    I can go on and on...but I am getting carpal tunnel...lol...forget about passing a bill legalizing.online gambling at this point....it.is a hot potato that no politician will touch...
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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 1:50am) in reply to Unreal03

    I agree with everything you just said, for the most part. I disagreed with the contention that downloading online poker software, depositing, and playing is illegal. The onus of these charges is on site operators, not the players.

    I truly believe within 6 months to a year there will be the start of the 2nd poker boom as U.S. regulated sites will be up and running, starting with the Harrah's site (WSOP.com or whatever it ends up being).
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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 2:59am) in reply to threebanger

    i talked to a bodog rep over the phone, he said they operate totally different from stars/tilt/etc...and that they won't be shut down. it's also good that they are mostly considered a sportsbooking site too
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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 3:06am) in reply to SuReaL

     
    Originally Posted by SuReaL View Post

    i talked to a bodog rep over the phone, he said they operate totally different from stars/tilt/etc...and that they won't be shut down. it's also good that they are mostly considered a sportsbooking site too


    I doubt there is much truth to this. They have to be able to process deposits and withdrawals for US players, the only way to do that is through banks. American banks -> offshore banks -> American banks. There is no way they are doing this legally.
     
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    Apr 18th, 2011 (4/18/2011 4:02am) in reply to spectrefax

    i think alot of the betting sites have ties to the big vegas casinos in some way or another.

    no one doubts they are a game of luck and yet they have not been pursued as much.

    start, tilt and absolute all ran ads on tv constantly and were widely shown on espn. the whole, no publicity is bad publicity, obviousley does not apply to this situation.

    they were sayin a big fu to the gov and then continuing to rake in money.

    anyway...no one really knows what will happen to the dog and other casino sites. but, hopefully nothing for at least a few months.
    Edited By: Prestonluv Apr 18th, 2011 at 04:03 AM
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    Apr 20th, 2011 (4/20/2011 10:36pm) in reply to I Suckout

    Wrong...
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    Apr 21st, 2011 (4/21/2011 12:36am) in reply to tripseekerx

    Yep
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