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  1. GOD UR UGLY GOD UR UGLY is offline

    Austin, TX
    United States

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 4:59pm)

    is this an easy fold and im a donkey? or just unlucky? The one hand i had played with the villain, i raised and he called preflop. on a K23 board i checked and he min bet the flop and turn and checked river taking it down with pocket tens, as i was on a nut flush draw. that being known what do ya'll think?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10671805725: Early Double - A (80291735), Table 154 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:50:28 ET - 2009/02/16
    Seat 1: jbouille1 (18,514)
    Seat 2: Wutdacack (2,225)
    Seat 3: suga914 (5,145)
    Seat 4: danny-sahne1 (2,945)
    Seat 5: gumble1980 (3,780)
    Seat 6: pusher904 (6,139)
    Seat 7: Paradisland (7,640)
    Seat 8: Lodgeman1 (6,455)
    Seat 9: rfad420 (6,222)
    jbouille1 antes 25
    Wutdacack antes 25
    suga914 antes 25
    danny-sahne1 antes 25
    gumble1980 antes 25
    pusher904 antes 25
    Paradisland antes 25
    Lodgeman1 antes 25
    rfad420 antes 25
    gumble1980 posts the small blind of 120
    pusher904 posts the big blind of 240
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rfad420 [Ah Kd]
    Paradisland folds
    Lodgeman1 folds
    rfad420 raises to 720
    jbouille1 raises to 18,489, and is all in
    Wutdacack has 15 seconds left to act
    Wutdacack folds
    suga914 folds
    danny-sahne1 folds
    gumble1980 folds
    pusher904 folds
    rfad420 calls 5,477, and is all in
    jbouille1 shows [As Ad]
    rfad420 shows [Ah Kd]
    Uncalled bet of 12,292 returned to jbouille1
    *** FLOP *** [5h Ts 3c]
    *** TURN *** [5h Ts 3c] [Qs]
    *** RIVER *** [5h Ts 3c Qs] [5s]
    jbouille1 shows two pair, Aces and Fives
    rfad420 shows a pair of Fives
    jbouille1 wins the pot (12,979) with two pair, Aces and Fives
    rfad420 stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 12,979 | Rake 0
    Board: [5h Ts 3c Qs 5s]
    Seat 1: jbouille1 showed [As Ad] and won (12,979) with two pair, Aces and Fives
    Seat 2: Wutdacack folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: suga914 folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: danny-sahne1 (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: gumble1980 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: pusher904 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: Paradisland folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Lodgeman1 folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: rfad420 showed [Ah Kd] and lost with a pair of Fives

    maybe im just being results oriented
  2. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 5:01pm) in reply to GOD UR UGLY

     
    Originally Posted by GOD UR UGLY View Post

    is this an easy fold and im a donkey? or just unlucky? The one hand i had played with the villain, i raised and he called preflop. on a K23 board i checked and he min bet the flop and turn and checked river taking it down with pocket tens, as i was on a nut flush draw. that being known what do ya'll think?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10671805725: Early Double - A (80291735), Table 154 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:50:28 ET - 2009/02/16
    Seat 1: jbouille1 (18,514)
    Seat 2: Wutdacack (2,225)
    Seat 3: suga914 (5,145)
    Seat 4: danny-sahne1 (2,945)
    Seat 5: gumble1980 (3,780)
    Seat 6: pusher904 (6,139)
    Seat 7: Paradisland (7,640)
    Seat 8: Lodgeman1 (6,455)
    Seat 9: rfad420 (6,222)
    jbouille1 antes 25
    Wutdacack antes 25
    suga914 antes 25
    danny-sahne1 antes 25
    gumble1980 antes 25
    pusher904 antes 25
    Paradisland antes 25
    Lodgeman1 antes 25
    rfad420 antes 25
    gumble1980 posts the small blind of 120
    pusher904 posts the big blind of 240
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rfad420 [Ah Kd]
    Paradisland folds
    Lodgeman1 folds
    rfad420 raises to 720
    jbouille1 raises to 18,489, and is all in
    Wutdacack has 15 seconds left to act
    Wutdacack folds
    suga914 folds
    danny-sahne1 folds
    gumble1980 folds
    pusher904 folds
    rfad420 calls 5,477, and is all in
    jbouille1 shows [As Ad]
    rfad420 shows [Ah Kd]
    Uncalled bet of 12,292 returned to jbouille1
    *** FLOP *** [5h Ts 3c]
    *** TURN *** [5h Ts 3c] [Qs]
    *** RIVER *** [5h Ts 3c Qs] [5s]
    jbouille1 shows two pair, Aces and Fives
    rfad420 shows a pair of Fives
    jbouille1 wins the pot (12,979) with two pair, Aces and Fives
    rfad420 stands up
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 12,979 | Rake 0
    Board: [5h Ts 3c Qs 5s]
    Seat 1: jbouille1 showed [As Ad] and won (12,979) with two pair, Aces and Fives
    Seat 2: Wutdacack folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: suga914 folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: danny-sahne1 (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: gumble1980 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: pusher904 (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: Paradisland folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: Lodgeman1 folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: rfad420 showed [Ah Kd] and lost with a pair of Fives

    maybe im just being results oriented

     
  3. E4ERICK E4ERICK is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 5:05pm) in reply to Deoxyribo

    was it necessary to quote the entire op when you're the first to reply?
  4. bonflizubi bonflizubi is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 5:09pm) in reply to GOD UR UGLY

    in the early double I am never folding AK in that spot. There are too many idiots that might over-shove anything. (though there's a decent percent of the time it is AA because idiot is afraid to get it cracked...and doesn't even realize he's value-shoving)

    BUt you could see pairs, AK, AQ, AJ and even worse do this if they thought if was a tricky thing to do and just be idiots. It's a +EV call in THIS tourney every time.

    Also, although he outplayed you in the earlier hand, he's horrible - here's his pokerdb

    <TABLE class=table2><TBODY><TR><TH>Largest Cash:</TH><TD>$110.25</TD><TD class=empty></TD><TH>Average Cash:</TH><TD>$26.34</TD></TR><TR><TH>Largest Buy-In:</TH><TD>$14.00</TD><TD></TD><TH>Average Buy-In:</TH><TD>$4.55</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    <TABLE class=table3><TBODY><TR><TH class=green_white>Wins:</TH><TD class=green_white>2</TD><TD class=green_white>1.34%</TD><TD class="green_white empty"></TD><TH class=green_white>Return on Investment:</TH><TD class=green_white>-71.45%</TD></TR><TR><TH>Seconds:</TH><TD>0</TD><TD>0.00%</TD><TD></TD><TH>Average Finish:</TH><TD>66/100</TD></TR><TR><TH class=green_white>Thirds:</TH><TD class=green_white>0</TD><TD class=green_white>0.00%</TD><TD class=green_white></TD><TH class=green_white>Average Expectation:</TH><TD class=green_white>$-3.54</TD></TR><TR><TH>Top 3 Rate:</TH><TD>2</TD><TD>1.34%</TD><TD></TD><TH>Average Field Size:</TH><TD>395</TD></TR><TR><TH class=green_white>Final Tables:</TH><TD class=green_white>2</TD><TD class=green_white>1.34%</TD><TD class=green_white></TD><TH class=green_white>Average Buy-Ins Won:</TH><TD class=green_white>0.931</TD></TR><TR><TH>Cashes:</TH><TD>8</TD><TD>5.37%</TD><TD></TD><TH></TH><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH class=green_white>Total Played:</TH><TD class=green_white>149</TD><TD class=green_white></TD><TD class=green_white></TD><TH class=green_white></TH><TD class=green_white></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
     
  5. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 5:19pm) in reply to E4ERICK

     
    Originally Posted by E4ERICK View Post

    was it necessary to quote the entire op when you're the first to reply?

    too lazy to change it.
     
  6. GOD UR UGLY GOD UR UGLY is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 5:20pm) in reply to bonflizubi

    thanks. thats what i thought initially and then when he flipped over AA i was demoralized. either way im glad i made the correct play. thanks again peace
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  7. jtown1010 jtown1010 is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 5:21pm) in reply to bonflizubi

    I'd know he had AA before he was even dealt AA.

    Still probably call here though.
  8. Mattisbest Mattisbest is offline

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    Feb 16th, 2009 (2/16/2009 7:43pm) in reply to GOD UR UGLY

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