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Hello P5s community,
I'd like to start off by saying that I have played on numerous sites since 2007 and of course have had my ups and downs throughout the years. However, I have never felt like I was being cheated against until the last few months. Everyone run's bad yada yada, I get it, and I'm certain that I am definetly also running bad during this stretch of 2 or 3k MTTs, but some of the hands I have been witnessing, with or without me being involved in are so mind boggling and unfathomable as to how winning regs can make these sorts of plays without knowing the pre-determined board run-out. These are not fish, these are winning regs, who generally play very well in the late stages of tourneys. I just recently started gathering evidence to support my claim, so I acknowledge that I do not have anywhere close to a significant sample of hands, but if I post too many hands at once, I doubt anyone would bother looking into it anyways, so I decided to just list these ones.
1.) 10 mins remaining in 3r rebuy period. yodoitry is good reg whos up 14.5k in 1.2k MTTs.
http://lockpoker.eu/replay/TheKeymaker/51335666-35
2.) post-rebuy period 3r... ydoitry open ships 20bb otb, As soon as the hand is over, the table X's out and I had to go back into history from a diff table to retrieve the hh
http://lockpoker.eu/replay/TheKeymaker/51335666-88
3.) onlyplayforPOY is a HS reg with 30k profit in 804 games. Wasn't even involved in this hand, but was paying attention to the hand while 10 tabling.
http://lockpoker.eu/replay/TheKeymaker/51458001-43
hand #1- ydoitry could just be in gamble mode cuz its the rebuy stages of a 3r, and I understand that... but he has 92o, and hes CALLING a shove. Not just that tho, he is making two pair. If he ends up hitting just a 9 or a deuce to win the AI showdown, I don't think it would be nearly as suspicious. But when knowing the board runout, he can safely assume he is going to be beating my AI shoving range after seeing all 5 the vast majority of the time.
hand #2- Okay so he ships 20 bigs otb with J8o... obviously, even if the blinds are calling super tight, this is not a shove in 2012. I would like to think I am calling close to perfectly in this spot, and the fact that he makes a straight in this spot, not just one pair further supports my thought process of the pre flop rabbit cam hacking that is certainly occurring on merge.
hand #30- When I saw onlyplayforPOY flat from the SB given the action in front of him, I was in awe, and was wondering what was in his bag of tricks after making what clearly is an unfathomable hood flat from the blinds... After seeing the action to come, it only further provides evidence of my claims, and I will stick by them.
I know most of the ppl on this forum will prob label me a riggart or w/e like KAVILLA and be austracized from the community, and I am okay with that. I have kept my mouth shut long enough, and I am sick and tired of witnessing the cheating and hacking on a daily basis, so from now on I will save these hands containing evidence, even though it is a pain in the ass to manually type in the HH # mid-sesh (hmmmm i wonder why they made it so difficult to copy and paste HHs'?????) and will add to this thread as they happen. (Assuming this OP isn't deleted or moved to bad beat section) -
I really don't see anything wrong with the first two hands at all. I wouldn't expect the third hand to be played like that by a winning player but stranger things happen. Maybe he read the shover as having AK and he thought he was ahead in the hand. I've personally never played on Lock but I really doubt the cheating that you are claiming is going on. Good luck.
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really?
Originally Posted by mdshack14
I really don't see anything wrong with the first two hands at all. I wouldn't expect the third hand to be played like that by a winning player but stranger things happen. Maybe he read the shover as having AK and he thought he was ahead in the hand. I've personally never played on Lock but I really doubt the cheating that you are claiming is going on. Good luck.
what if....Originally Posted by POKER_PANDA
what if the 3rd hand was a misclick call pre, then he just decided he had dumped a 3rd of his stack in pre and wasnt folding a pair?
well, it certinaly is possible to missclick flat in that spot, but highly unlikely since he is playing 15x from the SB and should pretty much have the check fold btn x'd off if he is somewhat competent, which he has proven to be. -
pretty much of a fail thread, def need like 100ish examples in order for it to be taken seriously imo. Until then,
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Dude the first 2 hands are in rebuy tourneys and the 3rd hand deff looked like a misclick and then he was oi and just went with it. Like Jlizard said 3 hand sample size cant prove anything. If ppl can hack the rabbit cam then I am sure more ppl would notice weird hands going down. And no one else besides maybe kavilla notices things like this. If you can find maybe 15-20 obvious spots deep in tournaments then maybe you have something.
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This, OP, is why I don't play for real money anymore after black friday. If regulation comes, I will play again, but until then I feel completely uneasy with the whole online (real money) poker thing. However, I do play on the subscription sites and it feels safe and in turn, more relaxing and fun.
Also, great song bro!! Love weezer!! -
A - You are getting exactly the same deal/cards on any MERGE skin. If by "rigged" you mean the deal (RNG), Merge does that, not Lock.
Edited By: G2thV Apr 13th, 2012 at 09:02 PM
B - LOL at posting evidence! Post any number of hand histories and all you will get it free coaching. Until a MERGE employee comes forward and says "I confess, heres what we do---" Their ass is covered.
C - I and many others don't need no stinkin evidence. There is no math that supports the corn holing I'm taking from these Merge crooks. AND, I know the math.
But don't get me wrong, can't wait to see what you got, and the follow up ridicule you will receive for posting it. Even if some one does nail these crooks, dead to rights, there will still be a poster here telling the hero he should quit crying and learn how to play!
I have a few bucks left on Merge sites, when it's gone, which I may just go blow in a cash game now, you will find me at HWP, until the US offers real, regulated, online poker. -
I'll be here, can't wait. But again, Lock can not "rig" sht. They can conceivably pull all kinds of other scams, but they will just throw someone under the buss, and declare victory. (you can't be KAVILLA cause you have a bage)
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lol like ive been saying people need to take things like this seriously, especially with a site thats willing to flaunt the fact its offering real money play to USA players...you just need to consider who would be willing to run a site in this day and age and realize that something like this isnt out of the range of possibility.
Edited By: wackyJaxon Apr 18th, 2012 at 12:38 PM
think about this:
if someone were able to use the rabbit camera preflop, and they were just the tiniest bit smarter than the UB superusers, they could virtually go undetected for as long as they'd like.
i believe the only reason its could be detected if its actually occuring is because of a simple thing called greed.
anyways dont worry if the same three or four 2+2 nerds disguised as P5ers(like this annoying allani guy) call you rigtards, anyone who can sit back and look at stuff like this objectively wouldnt be laughing and mocking you. -
I was starting to get worried.
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glad scissorme showed up, im sure tyson, swish, and the rest of his merge MTT buddies will be right behind him.
power in numbers; it applies to nerds! -
HERE IS AN OBVIOUS RABBIT CAM HACKER AT WORK
***** Hand History for Game 5401078292 ***** (Merge)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, April 25, 06:34:17 ET 2012
Table Wednesday Evening 109 20000 Guaranteed (53570752) (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: poonaniboy ( $15400.00 USD )
Seat 2: JaxGotStax ( $4838.00 USD )
Seat 3: AmberLamps ( $3262.00 USD )
Seat 4: GregOstertag ( $10208.00 USD )
Seat 5: griff8787 ( $5962.00 USD )
Seat 6: LOLCity ( $5230.00 USD )
Seat 7: damnriverrrrr ( $3900.00 USD )
Seat 8: AquaFineVudka ( $9670.00 USD )
Seat 9: JAMWOW86 ( $6570.00 USD )
JAMWOW86 posts small blind [$100.00 USD].
poonaniboy posts big blind [$200.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AmberLamps [ Jh Jc ]
JaxGotStax raises [$400.00 USD]
AmberLamps raises [$3262.00 USD]
GregOstertag raises [$10208.00 USD]
griff8787 folds
LOLCity folds
damnriverrrrr calls [$3900.00 USD]
AquaFineVudka folds
JAMWOW86 folds
poonaniboy folds
JaxGotStax folds
AmberLamps shows [Jh, Jc ]
GregOstertag shows [Kd, As ]
damnriverrrrr shows [Qh, 8s ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 6h, 5d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
GregOstertag wins $6308.00 USD
damnriverrrrr wins $1276.00 USD from main pot
damnriverrrrr wins $10486.00 USD from main pot -
one hand is meaningless.
Edited By: ktx49 Apr 26th, 2012 at 02:30 AM
i dont care about a single bad call/beat whatever, that could be attributed to so many things its literally impossible to say....
however, to blindly say this kind of thing cant be happening is just stupid.
come play on merge before you jump to conclusions and call people rigtards....
i definitely can say that peoples ranges on merge for spots like, all in cold calls for example, is ridiculously wider and different than anything ive seen before or expect to see. its odd especially when they make no less than two pair anytime they do it. -
I agree with everything KAVILLA has said... merge is sketchy as fk, collusion is rampant, and I will be posting evidence in a thread in a few weeks as my sample size of rabbit-cam hacks continues to grow.










