[llebdet]

 

Originally Posted by msc

he 3bets you and you auto put him on aces? damn i wish i could play at your table

I am def not defaulting aces here. I included a couple of pieces of info to just get you into my thought process. Def a stretch but I was just referring to the 25% stack 3bet from someone i think to be a good player.

thanks for the responses all :)

[E Dar]

yeah thanks for folding there though :)

[llebdet]

 

Originally Posted by E Dar

yeah thanks for folding there though :)

HAha nice you saw this so soon. Everyone wants to be a hero sometimes...that'll learn me..

[lee118]

just give him the pile here........................his three bet range here is jj to aa..............and ak if he is a good player i would assume...................you are just losing so much value here if you even think of a fold.....................get ready to hit the register to button again if he has aa.........................which i assume he had if u posted this............

[satyakees]

read the title --->confirmed idiot

[llebdet]

 

Originally Posted by lee118

just give him the pile here........................his three bet range here is jj to aa..............and ak if he is a good player i would assume...................you are just losing so much value here if you even think of a fold.....................get ready to hit the register to button again if he has aa.........................which i assume he had if u posted this............

Afraid not.. this is why im an idiot. only fold KK pf once and was right - overthought it and will never do it again probably..

[SIZE=1]Full Tilt Poker Game #27880123263: $35,000 Guarantee (216485109), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:27:46 ET - 2011/02/03
Seat 1: AleBraga (2,915)
Seat 2: llebdet (3,045)
Seat 3: E Dar (2,978)
Seat 4: BobbyPossum (2,257)
Seat 5: Anhtastic (2,958)
Seat 7: Biabi (6,382)
Seat 8: fullhardnuts (3,775)
Seat 9: OpenClubFace (2,905)
Biabi posts the small blind of 20
fullhardnuts posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to llebdet [Kh Ks]
Sennzu sits down
OpenClubFace folds
AleBraga folds
llebdet raises to 166
Prestidig (Observer): what a god damn $!#&ing DONK
E Dar calls 166
BobbyPossum raises to 499
Anhtastic folds
Biabi has 15 seconds left to act
Biabi has requested TIME
Biabi calls 479
fullhardnuts folds
llebdet folds
E Dar calls 333
*** FLOP *** [7s 7h 5c]
Biabi has 15 seconds left to act
Biabi bets 620
E Dar has 15 seconds left to act
E Dar raises to 2,479, and is all in
BobbyPossum folds
Biabi calls 1,859
E Dar shows [Th Tc]
Biabi shows [5h Ah]
*** TURN *** [7s 7h 5c] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [7s 7h 5c 4d] [Kc]
E Dar shows two pair, Tens and Sevens
Biabi shows two pair, Sevens and Fives
E Dar wins the pot (6,661) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,661 | Rake 0
Board: [7s 7h 5c 4d Kc]
Seat 1: AleBraga didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: llebdet folded before the Flop
Seat 3: E Dar showed [Th Tc] and won (6,661) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 4: BobbyPossum folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Anhtastic didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Biabi (small blind) showed [5h Ah] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Fives
Seat 8: fullhardnuts (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: OpenClubFace didn't bet (folded)[/SIZE]

[E Dar]

thinking he had AK AQ, he folded

[llebdet]

 

Originally Posted by E Dar

thinking he had AK AQ, he folded

My thought is I would never 3bet 25% of my stack to 4x open and flat with AK,AQ,JJ or QQ. I would either jam or fold. Anyone kind of get my line of thought. Don't have to agree with fold ...think we all concur on how atrocious it was.

Sorry< i guess you could flat some but with two options as jam or 3bet. jam is my only one Edited By: llebdet Feb 4th, 2011 at 02:29 AM

[E Dar]

yeah you jam you win, i fold 1010 and you prob get calls from both of them

[llebdet]

 

Originally Posted by E Dar

yeah you jam you win, i fold 1010 and you prob get calls from both of them

Sorry Dar. Not what I am saying< i know for sure you fold if i jam.
I am saying I find his 3bet in that spot weird/strong and that I would jam any hand i am going to raise with if i am him except maybe AA/KK

Either way- i played it like shite and deserved to get those hands shown down

[ZenEnso]

Never fold. Especially with this new MET format.

[rickyt88]

Don't think you can ever fold especially if it is a winning reg, they know how to play poker and you have to imagine they are better than you are and cannot compare their plays to yours. If you never 3-bet semi-bluff 25% your stack there then that is your mistake, another mistake assuming that players should play like you and shouldn't have worse than AA in this spot. You'll quickly find players dont play the way you think they should and it isn't as easy as you think putting them on hands, try putting them on hand ranges instead of hands.

[ManchVegasPwn]

lol

[llebdet]

 

Originally Posted by rickyt88

Don't think you can ever fold especially if it is a winning reg, they know how to play poker and you have to imagine they are better than you are and cannot compare their plays to yours. If you never 3-bet semi-bluff 25% your stack there then that is your mistake, another mistake assuming that players should play like you and shouldn't have worse than AA in this spot. You'll quickly find players dont play the way you think they should and it isn't as easy as you think putting them on hands, try putting them on hand ranges instead of hands.

thanks for the response.
- i did put him on a range that was completely narrowed based on stage of tourney/open and 3bet size.
- I do "semi-bluff" 3bet (semi-bluff? not sure i like its use here) but not with his stack at this stage in tourney.
- he is not a random but rather someone i know to be thinking and decent.
bottom line. not good fold as mentioned above numerous times- just wondered if anyone understood my general thought process - and if CONSIDERING folding is always bad...dont have to do it.

I am sure there are times early in mtts that people consider folding KK pf and I thought this time was not entirely unreasonable.

 

Originally Posted by ManchVegasPwn

lol

ty fml

end thread lol

[JaguarsFan]

I was gonnna said that seems like a bet that he doesn't want you to call. That early thats a pretty large bet... I would of put him on 99-qq

WOOPS sorry we wanted to end this =[ Edited By: JaguarsFan Feb 4th, 2011 at 03:02 AM

[whitelextown]

I am majorly have the reality check now. In the last few online attempts for a couple of weeks, I have lost all tourneys enrolled, blew the bankroll. All online. the problem I think is playing on a daily basis. I am on major downswing. I am still contemplating on the game though at Hollywood Indiana. I don't have a casino around me so it is not very often that I will get to play live poker (other than free bar events and the occasional home game with buddies).

I am going to be playing in a monthly bar tournament and lets see how I do in that one.

[ImaBluffn76]

 

Originally Posted by smcrawford2

i played the 345 deepstack in the last series they had there. the play/structure is similar to a 24+2 tilt tourney. fairly deepstacked for a few hours, then turns into push/fold when you get about 70% of the field eliminated.i got there ~2 hours early and had no problems getting my player card and reg'd.

THIS / THREAD

[otang4prez MMM is my Hero]

 

Originally Posted by whitelextown

I am majorly have the reality check now. In the last few online attempts for a couple of weeks, I have lost all tourneys enrolled, blew the bankroll. All online. the problem I think is playing on a daily basis. I am on major downswing. I am still contemplating on the game though at Hollywood Indiana. I don't have a casino around me so it is not very often that I will get to play live poker (other than free bar events and the occasional home game with buddies).

I am going to be playing in a monthly bar tournament and lets see how I do in that one.

What happened to your 40% ITM? I guess now you know your not really as good as you thought you were which is a good thing. If you keep losing day after day then yes playing on a daily basis could be the problem but I doubt it really is. You said you have only been playing since October. That is the problem. Yes you might have read about some of the sicko's making one deposit and turning that into a BR to play high stakes but that is rare and you must start at the bottom. BR management is key and playing in the $300 buyin event doesn't sound like decent BR management. If you can afford it and just want to play to play then go for it but if your trying to take the game serious and maybe making something from it then you need to not play that event.

That $300 will get you a good start into the online world. Put $100 on each FT & stars, buy a good poker book, and take the rest for a training site. If your dedicated and don't play outside your limits then that could be the very last time you have to deposit. Unlikely but very possible. This game isn't easy and most won't luck box their way to a million dollars so you need to work harder than the next guy to get a head. These forums have a great deal of information and a lot of great players that contribute to them. I suggest you use that to your advantage. Well's are very informative and have so much great stuff in them poker and non poker related. Strategy section down at the bottom is another good feature. Best of luck.

[anignosaj]

there some good advice here. Def take a shot and play your game. the best way to learn is to dive in and play. Good Luck and wish you the best.

[whitelextown]

Thanks for your response. I will definately consider it. I don't want to quit this thing, I want to make it better. I am currently looking over my hand history of the events and already see my faults.

As far as my Deepstacks tourney, I still am going to play it. My personal bankroll allows for it and want to see how I do in the field. I don't get to play live very often and don't want to miss out on the chance on it. I don't live too close to a casino and I don't have a good home game to be a part of in Lexington so this is the only opportunity. I am excited about it.

I like honesty and take constructive criticism well for it makes me a better player. I realize my reality, now I am ready to hit the felt and begin winning again. I hope to continue the journey online and just be a better player and upgrade from a fish to a shark soon. Thanks....

[decamps]

MAN RUN BETTER LMAO unbelievable I cant believe I had 35% chips 7 handed and lost 7!!
Like you picked up in 65 hands 4 AA, 1 KK,1 QQ, 1 JJ you showed maybe more. played PFR 40% 3B 16% and you get AA when I have KK when we are both CL equal WTF MBN GG enjoy!!!

And same day lost 3 in 109 AA<J9 AIPF for 80% chips in play gotta be kidding me 10k$ equity gone there

Sighhh even after a nice sleep trying to forget this have to log on to P5 and see this brag thread!!!!!!when you ran like jesus

[Sdanby]

 

Originally Posted by decamps

MAN RUN BETTER LMAO unbelievable I cant believe I had 35% chips 7 handed and lost 7!!
Like you picked up in 65 hands 4 AA, 1 KK,1 QQ, 1 JJ you showed maybe more. played PFR 40% 3B 16% and you get AA when I have KK when we are both CL equal WTF MBN GG enjoy!!!

And same day lost 3 in 109 AA<J9 AIPF for 80% chips in play gotta be kidding me 10k$ equity gone there

Sighhh even after a nice sleep trying to forget this have to log on to P5 and see this brag thread!!!!!!when you ran like jesus

grow up, and congrats OP enjoy the monies

[piampjuice]

Has anyone played with madave21 on tilt? omg this beast is transforming the game to new levels that man could not even dream of. Every hand you have to THINK,THINK,THINK, but before you can complete your thoughts this animal has slayed you, taken your pride and dignity with his no mercy mid evil style. His gears range from 1-1000 and has more moves than the whole online community combined. If you see this killer at your table LEAVE just go and save yourself. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

[Deoxyribo]

yup Edited By: Deoxyribo Feb 15th, 2011 at 06:26 AM
Reason: sick OPR

[bigdaddyz]

THE MANS AN ANIMAL. he crushed my soul for sure. and he will crush all the rest

[StealTank]

cool story bro

[joeyrulesall]

Ya he has really crushed the 100 tournaments he has played. Sick sample size Mannnnnnnnn

[Passiveplay]

99 wins tho

[MakeMeMaster]

I thought this thread was about me, wtf?

[Passiveplay]

Not nearly enough haters for an MMM thread.