[foxylady3]

ThEcLaiMEer: bets 13250
all IQ: raises 378484 to 391734 and is all-in
ThEcLaiMEer said, "if your connection goes i will wait"
all IQ said, "ty"
ThEcLaiMEer said, "if we still playing lol"
all IQ: calls 6000ThEcLaiMEer: folds WOW ECLAIM IS A TRUE GENTLEMAN I WAS IMPRESSED

[shawdeep]

wat

[nw25th]

Cbet flop?

[Gags30]

pretty sure his name is 'the claimer' not 'eclaim'

[random.chu The People's Troll]

hi

[ronnieb122]

Hi all ive been having a think about position play and i think its wrong.
Surely being in position should be 1st to act in the hand instead of last as you have 1st say what happens in the hand.
Eg your last to act with 10 9 board runs 10 8 A and theres a raise and a reraise your left like what do i do ?????
Say you have AK and your 1st to act board run a 8 4 you can just shove get everyone to fold.
Just a thought i think having 1st say in a hand has more value than last imo.
Whats your thoughts ?????

[OhScissorMe]

 

Originally Posted by ronnieb122

Hi all ive been having a think about position play and i think its wrong.
Surely being in position should be 1st to act in the hand instead of last as you have 1st say what happens in the hand.
Eg your last to act with 10 9 board runs 10 8 A and theres a raise and a reraise your left like what do i do ?????
Say you have AK and your 1st to act board run a 8 4 you can just shove get everyone to fold.
Just a thought i think having 1st say in a hand has more value than last imo.
Whats your thoughts ?????

Generally when I hit a pair I just hold on for dear life. Call.

[mcandrews3rd]

having position enables you to make better decisions on later streets, and usually gain control of the hand

your examples are pretty retarded and you really need to look over a lot of hands, for example my holdem manager (over 250k hands) shows that i am much more profitable in late position than early.

acting first of course has its advantages, which is why 3betting a wide range from position is so effective, you should try it

[D_d_me_001]

"Eg your last to act with 10 9 board runs 10 8 A and theres a raise and a reraise your left like what do i do ?????"

you seem to have your answer right here. cos you had pos you can clearly see you are behind and fold with out putting anymore money in the pot.

had you been first to act and bet here you have been raised and reraised by the two and would have to fold out anyway putting xtra chips in. Edited By: D_d_me_001 Feb 12th, 2012 at 01:56 AM

[norv]

Ronnie, position, is THE most important thing in poker. Yes AA helps at times, but nothing bar nothing is better than being able to act last.

In fact sometimes it doesn't even matter what two cards are in your hand. Try it - play a few hands on the button with 2,7 and when the others in the hand check to a 10,10 6 board - bet 30% of the pot and see them all fold.

[double_kyan]

its not a level...................dude why would u want to shove ak into that flop?


flawed thinking bro, sure there are great ways to play when 1st to act ,but this requires knowledge of the board and opponent more than anything Edited By: double_kyan Feb 12th, 2012 at 05:52 AM

[ronnieb122]

Pretty sure your all wrong

[Ptrou]

i will play you 1000 hands and you can act first in all of them, thoughts?

[double_kyan]

ronnie u clearly aren't understanding all the advantages of position

u gave an example of having ak when the flop hits A 8 4 and you said just shove it[which is a bad play]

but what about having ak with a flop of j 9 5 and you're 1st to act ,would you still rather be out of position?

[OneTime_10]

Not trying to be a jag or anything but there is some seriously flaws to your thinking. Any one that has HEM and a good sample of hands recorded could prove that by showing you they are much more profitable in position rather than out.

[ronnieb122]

i understand what your saying but my biggest abilty in poker comes from bluffing so i think thats what pokers all about bluffing so acting 1st and being able to shove 1st is more a + ev spot imo

[djdoodoo]

You're wrong. I advice you go read a shit load about position because that is so wrong.

[double_kyan]

 

Originally Posted by ronnieb122

i understand what your saying but my biggest abilty in poker comes from bluffing so i think thats what pokers all about bluffing so acting 1st and being able to shove 1st is more a + ev spot imo

pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttt

[Dwain Phoenix]

Poker is a game of Information. Being in position is the easiest way to attain info because you can see all the other players react first.

And bluffing is an art. you don't just shove bluffing without having any idea what your opponents are holding. A good bluff only happens when you almost KNOW your opponents are to weak to call. Again a game of information, and position is the EASIEST way to attain info.

Grab a book that will explain RELATIVE POSITION vs. ABSOLUTE POSITION (Maybe NLHE theory and practice). Because just being last to act AFTER the flop doesn't necessarily mean you are in the best position. That is where you learn the difference.

You have a lot to study my friend but these things are important if you want to improve. Edited By: Dwain Phoenix Feb 13th, 2012 at 06:26 AM

[ronnieb122]

i have a training vid on you tube search poker training no 1

[donkiman]

 

Originally Posted by ronnieb122

Say you have AK and your 1st to act board run a 8 4 you can just shove get everyone to fold.

Why do u want people to fold here? Edited By: donkiman Feb 13th, 2012 at 09:51 AM

[ronnieb122]

so people dont suck out on me man people over play top pair its just 1 pair man

[GutShotBen]

 

Originally Posted by ronnieb122

so people dont suck out on me man people over play top pair its just 1 pair man

level account spotted

[mcandrews3rd]

 

Originally Posted by GutShotBen

level account spotted

confirmed gtfo

[ronnieb122]

Hi all i left my detail on one of my mates comps and he opened a thread called power of position it wasnt me so just like to clear that up cheers alll just him being a duech

[BelieveIt Scammer]

i mean wow, i'm speechless at how good this guy owned me this hand..

pokerstars Hand #75778036348: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2012/02/17 20:50:23 ET
Table 'Amalia IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kaputter ($58.78 in chips)
Seat 2: 024680 ($60.81 in chips)
Seat 3: FullPocketz ($57.53 in chips)
Seat 4: hobas1337 ($56.70 in chips)
Seat 5: canusakid7 ($61.07 in chips)
Seat 6: OnUrBikeSon ($22.61 in chips)
kaputter: posts small blind $0.25
024680: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OnUrBikeSon [3h Qh]
FullPocketz: folds
hobas1337: folds
canusakid7: calls $0.50
OnUrBikeSon: raises $1 to $1.50
kaputter: folds
024680: folds
canusakid7: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Th Jc 8h]
canusakid7: bets $3
OnUrBikeSon: raises $4 to $7
canusakid7: calls $4
*** TURN *** [Th Jc 8h] [Kd]
canusakid7: bets $6
OnUrBikeSon: raises $8.11 to $14.11 and is all-in
canusakid7: calls $8.11
*** RIVER *** [Th Jc 8h Kd] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
canusakid7: shows [6c 6d] (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
OnUrBikeSon: shows [3h Qh] (a pair of Tens)
canusakid7 collected $43.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $45.97 | Rake $2.07
Board [Th Jc 8h Kd Tc]
Seat 1: kaputter (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: 024680 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: FullPocketz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hobas1337 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: canusakid7 showed [6c 6d] and won ($43.90) with two pair, Tens and Sixes
Seat 6: OnUrBikeSon (button) showed [3h Qh] and lost with a pair of Tens

wow indeed.

[peanut172]

[ ] threadworthy

[RedIceRap Moderator]

yeah i guess op knows that there are bunch of players in nl50 who dont think at all. anyway, i dont hate the hand since im raising limpers a lot and usually dont just fold after picking up a FD+ overcard+gutshot. i think u played that hand well and got unlucky. some abc players might disagree but i guess u had ur reasons for raising that limp.

[double_kyan]

guess he had u on ace of heart and a kikr that wasn't a jack or a king or he just didnt care and wanted all 5 cards without a thought

[Izaak]

I'm in mid position 2 limpets 3.5/1 on a call qtsuited tournament I'm only playing ftw