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the difference between races and sucking out

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  1. daap25 daap25 is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 6:31pm)

    It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't see the difference between winning a race and sucking out. I was just playing heads up and had 2200 to the guys 800. He min raises and I put him all in and he calls. I have AQ and he has KJ and Im quite obviously the favorite to win but as usual he sucks out hitting the king. He has been berating me the whole time because I made a comeback earlier and got ahead of him on a good call where I had pocket 4's and he tried to bluff at the board with A 10 all the way. I tell him to stfu because plain and simple he got lucky to catch a king and that this match should be over. A few hands later we end up allin and I have 66 to his A9. My 6's hold up and he actually has the nerve to tell me stop my crying because now we are even. I try to explain to him that a 66 is actually a slight favorite over A 9 and that I won the race there and that his KJ sucking out my AQ for his tournament life was not the same situation as I was about a 2 to 1 favorite to win that hand. He sees no difference and that just amazes me. Do people playing for real money not see the difference between winning races and sucking out?
  2. trippkirk trippkirk is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 6:38pm) in reply to daap25

    lol, thats deep
     
  3. StayCalm StayCalm is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 6:42pm) in reply to trippkirk

    Why even bother trying to explain that to him?
  4. kongs kongs is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 6:45pm) in reply to StayCalm

    If you are going to grip about losing a 60/40 in a HU SNG, you need to start playing something else.
     
  5. daap25 daap25 is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 6:50pm) in reply to kongs

    I don't normally play heads up sitngos. I just cant believe people actually play for real money and dont know the difference between suckouts and races.
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  6. saxton82 saxton82 is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 6:53pm) in reply to daap25

    i thought the thread was gonna be about white people sucking out more than black people, and the black community getting mad about it
  7. mapunk mapunk is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 6:55pm) in reply to daap25

    I mean, I call anything between 35/65 and 65/35 a "race"
     
  8. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 6:59pm) in reply to mapunk

    i had someone going on and on about how lucky i am when we got it all in preflop, he had TJ and i had A8 flop was 8TJ and i rivered an 8

    i love those types of ppl, i can usually get them to agree to playing HU vs me to back up their talk. only reason why its worth talking back to them
     
  9. NDIrish13 NDIrish13 is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 6:59pm) in reply to okse54

    win flips
     
  10. SigmaBetaRho SigmaBetaRho is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 7:02pm) in reply to NDIrish13

    You will be surprised how little people who play for real money actually know about the game.
  11. just-jOHnny just-jOHnny is offline I got nothin

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 7:12pm) in reply to SigmaBetaRho

    $$$
  12. R_U_Nuts R_U_Nuts is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 8:18pm) in reply to just-jOHnny

    I don't think AQ losing to KJ is a suck out. Now AQ losing to say QJ or AJ would be a suck out.
    Edited By: R_U_Nuts Jul 9th, 2010 at 10:34 PM
  13. ryukenrock ryukenrock is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 8:30pm) in reply to R_U_Nuts

    I know I dont conisder AQ losing to KJ a suckout, maybe I should make a post abou u!
  14. daap25 daap25 is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 10:00pm) in reply to ryukenrock

    You do realize that preflop AQ is a 62% favorite to win the hand over JK which is a 37% favorite to win. I didn't say its a horrible suckout but it's definitly a suckout.
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  15. threeven threeven is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2010 (7/9/2010 11:52pm) in reply to daap25

    meh AQ vs KJ is more of a flip than a suckout imo

     
    Originally Posted by daap25 View Post

    You do realize that preflop AQ is a 62% favorite to win the hand over JK which is a 37% favorite to win.

    exactly, you can start calling it a suckout when its a proper 70/30 at least
    Edited By: threeven Jul 10th, 2010 at 12:08 AM
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  16. chk_blaze chk_blaze is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 12:03am) in reply to threeven

    this threat is a suckout

    your hand, however, was a race
  17. dipper502 dipper502 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 12:18am) in reply to chk_blaze

    AQo vs. KJs is 58/41 (EDIT: If Unsuited you already posted the odds above.)
    A9o vs. 66 is 55/45
    A9s vs. 66 53/47

    They all look like races to me, but i dont play hu sngs so who knows.
    Edited By: dipper502 Jul 10th, 2010 at 12:19 AM
  18. chaz78 chaz78 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 12:56am) in reply to dipper502

    i hate this thread
    u lost a 60 40 if you made a thread about it pokers not your thing
     
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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 3:09am) in reply to R_U_Nuts

     
    Originally Posted by R_U_Nuts View Post

    I don't think AQ losing to KJ is a suck out. Now AQ losing to say QJ or AJ would be a suck out.

    Exactly what I was thinking
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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 3:48am) in reply to Chavalo

    Here's how I see it:

    Coinflip: Pair vs. two overcards
    Suckout: Dominating hand losing (aka AK losing to KT) or pair losing to two unders, underpair, or one live over
    Race: Two live cards against two live cards

    Yeah, your AQ is ahead of his KJ. But you're not dominating him. You guys both have unpaired hands and are "racing" to see who can pair the board. That's always how I looked at it anyway.
    Edited By: Jason2890 Jul 10th, 2010 at 03:49 AM
  21. dgillis dgillis is offline Moderator

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 3:55am) in reply to Jason2890

    people suck at poker.
     
  22. andressoprano andressoprano is offline whaddya think of my game?

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 4:16am) in reply to chk_blaze

     
    Originally Posted by chk_blaze View Post

    this threat is a suckout

    LMFAO, true words.
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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 4:29am) in reply to daap25

    sick brag about winning $6 hu
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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 6:01am) in reply to Ugotdonedirty

     
    Originally Posted by Ugotdonedirty View Post

    sick brag about winning $6 hu

    ROFL
     
  25. mdshack14 mdshack14 is offline

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 6:25am) in reply to Parky 32

    []OP knows the difference between a race and a suck out
     
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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 8:57am) in reply to mdshack14

    cool story bro
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  27. funnygut funnygut is offline gone hollywood

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    Jul 10th, 2010 (7/10/2010 9:10am) in reply to daap25

     
    Originally Posted by daap25 View Post

    You do realize that preflop AQ is a 62% favorite to win the hand over JK which is a 37% favorite to win.

    I like to play hands that are favorites even when they're not favored. Sweet thread too.
     
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