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Which donyou think is worse, shoving a3o or calling with Q9o?

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  1. nassander nassander is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 8:27am)

    70 to go in the hotter 55, first is 16k.

    Everyone around 20bbs, no history.

    Folded to the cutoff who open shoves A3o.

    Button calls with Q9o.

    Which play do you think is worse and why?
  2. MikeClarke MikeClarke is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 8:34am) in reply to nassander

    Worse? calling with Q9

    I don't like the push with A3 but for a steal the hand has some value with the highcard and potentially for a low straight. Q9 on the other hand is dominated by any strong ace hand or pair, would usually need to make 2 pair or a straight so since this is happening preflop I'm not liking the Q9 personally.
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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 8:43am) in reply to MikeClarke

    the Q9 call is awful obv

    threads like this shouldnt even be allowed
    Edited By: chrisp200 Jun 26th, 2012 at 08:43 AM
     
  4. BenFaz BenFaz is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 10:34am) in reply to chrisp200

    without correct stack sizes and how the blinds play who knows

    but a 20 bb shove with A3o there is bad and calling Q9o with 20 bbs is bad without history ect

    which one is you?
    Edited By: BenFaz Jun 26th, 2012 at 10:36 AM
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  5. daughton daughton is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 11:39am) in reply to BenFaz

    I don't like either with a 20BB stack and everyone around the same.

    70 is still a long way out.

    Q9 is far worse though.

    Remember that you need a stronger hand to call with than you do to shove with and I don't think Q9 is stronger than many hands so this is the worse play.
  6. ImAllinHoney ImAllinHoney is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 12:04pm) in reply to daughton

    how the fuck can you run that deep in the hot55 when you call off 20bb shoves with q9?! its not even sooooooted
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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 2:11pm) in reply to ImAllinHoney

    its a turbo, anyone can win it
     
  8. cocoa_butter111 cocoa_butter111 is offline

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 2:25pm) in reply to nassander

     
    Originally Posted by nassander View Post

    70 to go in the hotter 55, first is 16k.

    Everyone around 20bbs, no history.

    Folded to the cutoff who open shoves A3o.

    Button calls with Q9o.

    Which play do you think is worse and why?

    Post less.... Like really a lot less...
     
  9. Glo4m Glo4m is offline Confess to me

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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 8:02pm) in reply to cocoa_butter111

    lemme guess, you shoved the A3 and the Q9 got there?
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    Jun 26th, 2012 (6/26/2012 8:04pm) in reply to Glo4m

    Q9 is a soul read on CO's open shove range

    The q9 reshove is brilliant, the A3o shove is terribad.

    gg
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    Jun 29th, 2012 (6/29/2012 2:16am) in reply to smokerock247

    Ok, so I have a couple of reasons for posting.

    Firstly I just couldn’t understand how anyone calls off their whole stack with Q9o in that spot. It didn’t make any sense to me given how tight I was playing. I just didn’t get it at all and wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something. Glad to have confirmation it was just a really bad call.

    Secondly, at the time I was questioning why even bother stealing with a weak ace? I just don’t think I have enough equity against the calling range from the blinds. On the other hand you get nowhere playing tight in turbos and you need to push any edge you can.

    I’ve been playing a tonne of turbos lately and I see shit like this all the time , especially people reshoving weak aces from the blinds - marginal push and marginal call. I guess I’m just struggling to define my push and call ranges at similar stack sizes. I find it a lot easier at unequal stacks, but the deeper I get the harder I find it. Not getting this right is a costing me a lot of final tables so it’s something I need to get right.
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    Jun 29th, 2012 (6/29/2012 2:40am) in reply to chrisp200

     
    Originally Posted by chrisp200 View Post

    threads like this shouldnt even be allowed

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    Originally Posted by BenFaz View Post

    which one is you?

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    Originally Posted by cocoa_butter111 View Post

    Post less.... Like really a lot less...

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  13. tedSTRETCH tedSTRETCH is offline

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    Jun 29th, 2012 (6/29/2012 3:02am) in reply to Icurazedmybb

    First of all this thread is totally pointless without both players stack sizes, that being said there are spots where you should both shove with a3 and call with q9 depending on stacks since its a turbo.
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    Jun 29th, 2012 (6/29/2012 3:52am) in reply to tedSTRETCH

    If you are as tight as you say a 20bb shove screams weakness does it not? Why not raise fold 2.5x and let your image get you over the line?
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    Jun 29th, 2012 (6/29/2012 4:24am) in reply to tedSTRETCH

     
    Originally Posted by tedSTRETCH View Post

    First of all this thread is totally pointless without both players stack sizes, that being said there are spots where you should both shove with a3 and call with q9 depending on stacks since its a turbo.

    it says everyone has a 20bb stack??
     
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