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To Fold or Not To Fold Pocket AA's Leading 100k with 9 Players remaining

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  1. Rondor Rondor is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:26am)

    An Interesting situation occured this sunday in the 100k euro tournament at paradise poker. Setting the scene; approx 1.6million chips in play, 9 players remain, My stack 320,000 and leading by a about 40k and only a few hands into the final table. Blinds are at 4k/8k with antes, I get dealt AA UTG and raise to 20k and get re raised to 50k by player next to me who is in 2nd place with just under 300k in chips everyone folds around to me and here I pushed all in here hoping to take down the pot uncontested but I get called by KK and get my AA cracked on river by a straight.
    Anybody have any insights on this situation and how they would play it. I think the underlying question here is how much risk is worth while to gain an edge and increase your chances of actually winning the tournament. Can anyone actually seriously think of folding AA preflop in this situation? Please give me your insights...................

    Rondor
     
  2. jordankickz jordankickz is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:27am) in reply to Rondor

    laksf;kasflkasfkasj;fkljasklf;asf

    I love p5
    757 1
  3. nickh nickh is offline International Stalker

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:28am) in reply to Rondor

    I don't know why you'd even contemplate folding KK preflop, let alone AA..
  4. Scha Scha is offline Creator of SchaArcade & SchaCam

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:28am) in reply to Rondor

    haha, nice try.

    Too obv level imo.
  5. Pghfan987 Pghfan987 is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:29am) in reply to Scha

    I would fold and wait for a better spot. Like AA versus AK off.
    660 1
  6. thereraise thereraise is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:29am) in reply to Rondor

    level????
  7. ibluffheaps ibluffheaps is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:31am) in reply to thereraise

    i 2 like drugs, but clearly mine are not as good as yours
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  8. TpocketT TpocketT is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:33am) in reply to Rondor

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    Ummmm plz be a level.
  9. Rondor Rondor is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:36am) in reply to TpocketT

    it was on paradise poker level 16 2k/4k 400 ante.
     
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  10. TpocketT TpocketT is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:36am) in reply to TpocketT

    I hope its a level cause he wins more money than I do online, and if this post is legit that makes me sad.
  11. TheConArtist TheConArtist is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:36am) in reply to TpocketT

    Not worth the risk imo. You should fold PF and wait for a better spot.
  12. Rondor Rondor is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:40am) in reply to TpocketT

    To me it was an instant all in situation but I was laughed at saying that I played it wrong but how else I could I have played it, there is no other way in my mind, I'm just still wondering what could of and should of been
     
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  13. pokerhitman pokerhitman is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:44am) in reply to Rondor

    IMO......theres absolutely no other way to play it.....you got it in with the nuts...what else can you do.
  14. jesterwords jesterwords is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:48am) in reply to Rondor

    Even if you flat and push the flop, he is calling you with KK, which is the only other way to play his RR.

    Either way you are getting cracked there. It is just part of the game, sir, lick your wounds and move on.
  15. skisteve skisteve is offline 2008-2009 Thread Killer Champ

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:51am) in reply to Rondor

    dude i fold AA every time i get that garbage. you can not win with it on stars anyhow.
  16. optimuss89 optimuss89 is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 5:56am) in reply to jesterwords

    wow. just wow.
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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 7:03am) in reply to optimuss89

    fold pre
     
  18. Dedonkefy Dedonkefy is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 7:12am) in reply to Rondor

    A few words come to mind reading this post, level and results oriented. Good luck and you were just unlucky.
  19. holdplz holdplz is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 7:45am) in reply to jordankickz

     
    Originally Posted by jordankickz View Post

    laksf;kasflkasfkasj;fkljasklf;asf

    I love p5

    qft
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  20. xxjondxx xxjondxx is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 7:52am) in reply to Rondor

    I probably min raise to see where im at, if he shoves theres no way your AA can be good and you have to fold.
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  21. spacemandave spacemandave is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 7:53am) in reply to holdplz

    Just flat call, if you don't hit a set you can fold comfortably knowing you were a 10 to 1 favorite instead of a 4 to 1 favorite.
     
  22. EyeKnows EyeKnows is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 8:07am) in reply to Rondor

    <span>"here I pushed all in here hoping to take down the pot uncontested"</span><span>

    <span>
    "I think the underlying question here is how much risk is worth while to gain an edge and increase your chances of actually winning the tournament."</span>

    </span>

    <span>"To me it was an instant all in situation but I was laughed at saying that I played it wrong but how else I could I have played it, there is no other way in my mind, I'm just still wondering what could of and should have been"

    That's gold Jerry, gold!</span>
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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 8:25am) in reply to EyeKnows

    Welcome to the boards. Not to put too fine a point on it, but, after lurking for 6 months, this is the best you could come up with for a first post?

    I think it is safe to say that the majority of our members would be more than willing to bet all their chips, preflop, holding AA vs their opponents KK.
  24. Dedonkefy Dedonkefy is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 8:30am) in reply to Rondor

    Ask yourself this Rondor, if you somehow fold here what "better spot" are you actually looking for?
  25. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 12:54pm) in reply to Rondor

    ICM is a factor here. Given the information that you gave, most likely you will have to win about 62.4807348965387968794265892589% of the time, in order to just break even.

    AA is pretty ugly here, it's only a pair. If you have a club in your hand, you pretty much gotta reluctantly go with it, but if they are red, then toss them. Wait until you get trips preflop.
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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 12:58pm) in reply to Jennifear

    Def folding pre here
  27. TheWacoKidd TheWacoKidd is offline haters gonna hate

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 1:01pm) in reply to Jennifear

    OP is so mind-numbingly retarded he just got a level response from Jennifear... WOW
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  28. airedale05 airedale05 is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 1:05pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    rondor...i'll give you one serious reply even though i'm not sure it's warranted. The idea is to get HU allin with AA. Doesn't matter if it's 6 bets pf or just 3 bets, but just to get it HU. The more hands involved decrease your likelihood of winning, though you are still the favorite. Just a quick summary.

    P.S. The day I let ppl at my table dictate whether i'm making good plays is the day I let a cat into the house.
     
  29. Nuscas Nuscas is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 1:09pm) in reply to Rondor

    If this post is even 5% serious it would have to be the dumbest thing I've ever read. Consider taking up checkers.
     
  30. Kajun Kajun is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2008 (7/7/2008 7:15pm) in reply to Jennifear

    wp, jen, wp

    Kajun $endz
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