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<SPAN class=postbody>After 4 years of playing as cigardad, Im done. I have a +600% ROI playing live. I see no point in trying to win as cigardad online anymore. Please read the entire story below before you post or come to any conclusions. My story starts a few years back, I played ok, nothing as good as I play now with all the books I read, and also pXf not to mention the million hands or so I played. I know I am at least 3 xs better now then when I started. I won once in awhile, more than I lost anyways. nothing spectacular. at a FT one night, support host Scotty pops up on our final table and starts chatting it up with one player like they are friends, I feel this is wrong and ask him to not chat, it seems a little unfair at the time IMO. he turns off my chat and continues chatting it up with his freind and wishing him GL and to TID, which for a host to do this to ONE player at ANY FT just seems so wrong, and to top it off, I now have no chat at a FT Im on. I went out on 3 horrible beats in 3 str8 hands in less than 2 minutes after my chat was turned off. This in itself, seemed really wierd after what had just happened. I email support asking to speak with a supervisor, I am asked to write out a complaint to this supervisor. I do, and the response goes something like, "we have to stand behind our support hosts, even though he may of crossed a few lines with his behaviour, it was not anything personal agasint you nor did it change the outcome of the tournament."
Now for next 8 months after this happened, I lost relentlesly, The absolute worst sickest beats you can imagine. like trying to swim upstream. So I pretty much stopped playing, and a friend of mine from the site suggested I open a new account, just to 'see' what would happen. So half out of a joke and because my curiousity got the better of me, I opened one in my wifes name. I won the TLB the first week of this accounts play, I beat Tom Mc heads up after having to put my wifes pic in the lobby next to Greg Raymer and Moneymaker (dont think this didn't suck). I also got to # 50 something in the sunday million that same sunday I beat Tom Mc heads up/ I'd play cigardad one touney and then Love JD the next, One would win, the other lose, over and over, comparing. It pretty obv that they can and will rigg it to me.
OK, so that part most of you know about. I continued to win on I_love_jd's account, untill I posted on P5's about it. I just really found it odd that I could not win a single hand on one account, yet owned on another. I got berated on Pecker5's for admitting to it. I also found out that support host Scotty is a member of P5's, and then Love_jd's account went sour just like cigars did the same day I posted it. The cash games, the sits, and the tourney wins all dried up, of course, I also cashed out over $80k during this short period. and thats not a bad thing when you feel you have been cheated. Now the part you dont know about, I wrote emails to Lee Jones about 10 months ago. Sharing my experience and that he really should have someone look into BOTH accounts, as the 'Variance" swing was so severe from one end to the other, that it just didnt feel right. After much communication back and forth, and not only with Lee, who was nice enough NOT to blow me off on this, but also some higher ups in support. I always got the same ole, emails from support, the "why would we do his to a player?" we have too much to lose, or "we are audited by 2 independent auditors, yada yada.".
So right after this is sort of settled, I play on cigardad, I win 5th in the sunday warm-up and then a week later I chop to get a nice win of $8500 my share in another tourney, and you know what, I play like I always do, and it feels like I deserved the wins, in my mind I figure Lee had them call the dogs off. That didnt last long. that was also back in January.
I have been posting here how I cant win a hand once ITM, and that was since January. In 1 day, i got ITM in 8 tourneys, I didnt win but 1 hand at showdown. But for that previous 8 months, EVERY time ITM, this happened. What I did not tell anyone about, and I admit, I know this is wrong, but after the whole Love jd thing, I had to know. so.........</SPAN> -
<SPAN class=postbody>I went to my nieghbors house who also is my good friend, we have talked about my playing poker etc. over the last couple years, he does NOT play poker. he agreed to let me open an account in his name, and on his computer, he deposited and I gave him the cash. Long story short. I FTed the Sunday Million not too long after, (First 10 days of new account)I also have won close to 130k on this account in a short period of time, he withdrew it and we split it. I continue to win on this account when I play it. I do not on cigardad.
(a 2nd opinion). Ok so what does this prove?, probably not enough to convince anyone that it is nothing more than variance. Same player, totally different results on a diferent account, so treating this like a science experiment, I decide to run the tests one more time. A family member of mine agrees to let me do the same thing thru them. We open an account, 'They' deposit. I play,. First week, account runs OK, FT the $55k, and go very deep in the Sunday warm up. Im not going to admit how deep, but in first 2 weeks, I own. another very large amount gets cashed out. I still play cigardad as much as possible. cigardad sucks. Loses continue. I wrote stars and told them about what I have done, I don't really care what they try and do, close my account, whatever. Sometimes you have to cheat to beat a cheater. And Im 99.9% sure, thats exactly what has occurred. Im not saying that they do this to anyone else, But I am saying they did this to me. You can believe or not, I myself really have a problem with what they are capable of doing.
Excuse the spelling and grammer, But GG cigardad. I only play live from now on. GL all.</SPAN> -
<SPAN class=postbody>Heres some food for thought.
Cigardad. since 2005..$121,712.00 in cashes for a Negative -10% ROI
'Other' accounts played by me this year alone.... $237,992.00 in cashes for a positive ROI of Positive +2752%
This is only refferring to tournament play.</SPAN> -
lol.
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Tourney play is high variance, yo.
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Yes, cigardad just committed pokerstars suicide, but who cares, I'll go hang out at my nieghbors house, lol. FU stars and FU support host Scotty. Will you all believe me if I can do it 2 or 3 more times??.
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How many tin foil hats can i buy for $200,000k + ???, lmao.
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prob a lot. but i dont even know if they would help you.
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Damit you must of cursed me. Was at a FT with you YEARS ago... man now I suck. Just thought it was varience all this time... sigh. Just send me some money from one of your "good" accounts plz n we call it even
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All I can say is I wished I was your neighbor so you could play at my house.......let me know when the house across the street goes on the market.....I am there!
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does this mean no more underdog at the tables???
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you have the maturity and writing skills of a 6 year old
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Didn't you swear up and down that your wife was the one playing on I love JD. I don't feel like digging for the post but I think I remember that. Multi Account much.
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It seems that most of cigardad's posts are well thought out and well written. Obviously his skill in poker is superior than 99% of the people writing responses, and the same probably goes for his intelligence. It's so easy to tell him to go get a 'tinfoil' hat even though he has some valid points. The biggest obstacle to getting people to believe him is the million dollar question: what does stars have to gain in doing such a shady thing? (all the while risking huuuuge money if they were to be discovered). Answer this question, find a motive, expose a corrupt owner or something, and I will be the first to believe cigardad's story. For now though, i'll take the easy route.....GO PUT ON A FUCKING TINFOIL HAT CIGARDAD AND GTFO! :)
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lol, I wasnt trying to win a pulitzer. I never claimed to have writing skills, as for my maturity, yea, Im immature, but Im also 50 yrs old, Im young at heart however, and I still probably can kick your dads ass and your ass. GFY. lol, hows that for grammer?
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I was bored so I dug. Anyone remember the I Stay High incident. Did you watch over her shoulder or click the mouse? Let's be honest.
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Well, now Im coming clean. You Obv realize the reasons I would have to Lie about Love_jd??. I like to think of it as 'bluffing' and as far as my typeing skills, I wrote this whole thing in about 8 minutes flat. I type with 2 fingers, honest, I only edited mis-spelled words, I 'Type' from my heart. I have no reason to lie, and nothing to gain other than I DONT LIKE CHEATS no matter who they are. this has been personal between stars and I for a long time now. IF they can kill one players account for any reason, what else can they do?. Can they favor a new acount to gain a customer?, ?, Favor an account of a friend or family member, some of you are asking me to put on a tinfoil hat, maybe you better take yours off so something might get in?. Im willing to sit down with any of the Poker magazines and show them what I have so far, results dont lie. Im going to do this 2 more times, (New accounts), and get the results,. the more I can do it, the more obvious it is what it is. BTW, I have not been doing this alone. I also get dozens of PMs from other members here that feel the same way I do. They just do not want to get blasted by the kiddies still in diapers that reside here. Why is it such a stretch for you to believe that a very succesful corp. would dare not do anything to increase profits and the bottom line, line their own pockets or teach a piss-ant like myself a leson on whos boss?. They have so much to risk if they got caught?, correct?. Remember Enron?.
Also, pXfactor rocks, has improved my game tremendously, it has allowed me to go on and win at levels I never thought possible, both online, and Live, just not as cigardad. -
gg cigardad
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"Can they favor a new acount to gain a customer?"
I posted about that one time, because I win a lot whenever I open a new account on any site. No one seemed to agree with me though. I'm with you buddy. pokerstars doomswitched me too and I don't play there anymore.
Everyone says "If they rig accounts, they are risking alot if they get caught." How will they get caught? The only way is if their employees talk, but if they are doing these shady things then their employees are making $$$ off it. -
"Can they favor a new acount to gain a customer?"
I questioned that too. I win a lot when I open a new account on any site.
I'm with you, pokerstars doomswitched me too and I don't play there anymore.
People say "They are risking a lot if they get caught." How will they get caught?
There would need to be employees who talk, and my guess is, if they are doing these shady things employees in the know are making bank off it. -
OMG This post is rigged. It wont let me post.
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I thought you were sticking to live play? Honestly I don't really care I was just recalling what you said when that whole I Stay High incident went down. Bluffing is in a poker game. Lying is when you are dishonest what you say to people. This forum is all people. I am not saying I don't believe what your saying or that your paranoia is unjustified.
I am just recalling the fact that you lied to us about your other account. Should pokerstars check the IP addresses of your neighbor, your wife's(laptop, desktop) Were they ever in the same tourney? I am not accusing I am just asking.
I have never thought to cheat ever on these sights but after the last few months seeing how easy it is I am disgusted. I should get my girlfriend a laptop at my parents address with one of those wireless cell phone fucking things and set it right next to my computer. Is this what at least half the pros do? I am disgusted with online poker sometimes and this goes to explain how some fucking idiot can call me with ace king of hearts all in on a three low spade board with twelve people left in a thirty dollar tourney where ten grand is first prize. Was I bluffing obviously but how can anyone call that bluff with those cards I am not sure.
This leads me to my next question and one that cigardad you may agree with. Did that guy know my hole cards? Did he know what the turn and river were going to be? I don't care who you are reading this, winning player, losing player or support at poker website. Let's think about it for a second. Somebody can see everything that happens in every single game online. Can they see the flop turn and river before it happens? I don't know. Does anyone know?
Fuck I still can't wait to deposit tomorrow lol. Lee Jones are you with me?
P.S. I honestly don't mean to discredit the pros that keep winning. It is pretty obvious of the names that keep appearing but when a no name shows up and takes one down how can anyone be sure who it was? I may be dumb or overly optimistic but I could care less if a pro takes over a tourney late. The guy that got there got that far if he is handing it off whatever. The problem I do have and this is only from what I understand so I could be wrong. Things like JJ Prodigy who had two buy ins right next to each other in the same tourney. If only he was more careful which some people probably are he would have never got caught. -
Why is this now a bad beat story??, LOL, since when is winning over $230k online a bad beat? Well I guees I should say thanks for you guys not deleteing it alltogher
, BTW, I also won $40k at the Bay101 Open in a live tourney this last Sunday, I rock, read the results in the next card player issue. #2 in the ME. THank god I didnt sign up as cigardad . hehe.
oh and 1 other thing, pXfactor is your friend. -
op you're a terrible and anoying poster. get fucking lost, nobody cares about this. if you can't win online gtfo, go play live and realize that nobody fucking cares.
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im not saying you are wrong
but lets say you are in a $50+5 mtt on stars
that 5 bucks goes to stars, what else would they have to gain on whether or not you busted in 1000th or 3rd?









