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one brazillian

dunno what u talking about but Bodog is fn. rigged.. 888 too and fukin merge too :(

I'd say use common sense & standard stats for max expected variance in whatever you're playing. I haven't done anything impressive w mtts, but played lotsa sngs & before BF I had the same issue on FT. I asked some very accomplished players, a couple coaches here & was told it was legit but I knew it wasn't. Not gonna give specifics but a couple of the well respected coaches got crushed for months in a row also. I stuck it out for weeks/months running way under expected EV, & finally left. Ub & bodog have been far better to me lol, & it's not just the drastically weaker caliber of opp, it's also the rng. You have to understand the business side of the business for the coaches, industry folks. Obv nobody with business interests will ever say it's rigged IMO. If I was willing to spend the time & effort I could put together pretty strong evidence that on FT I ran under expected EV from about 10/10-3/11. I think it also depends on specific game type selection, some are more susceptible to the doomswitch IMO.

As far poker being a player game not a casino game ya obv lol! However, with all the uncleared deposits on FT, co mingling of funds etc, do you really put it past them to doomswitch certain player types, if for nothing else until they finish "tanking" & decide what to do about the situation. Until its regulated I think it's up to us to decide bottom line. All the scamming going on recently, merge network issues I keep hearing about, stars is all I'd trust. Props to p5s for their position on U.S. facing poker rooms, as much as I don't like it I feel it's right.

this post hasn't gotten tossed into the BB forum, and I'm glad. i've really wanted to say something about the Merge network. And without saying, "it's rigged," I'll be politically correct and say, I don't like its "random number generation."

The reason I haven't said anything yet is I already know what most of the replies will be.....1)small sample, 2)variance, 3)shark-tank, 4)quit limping tool, 5)lose your password, and 6)go play chess.

still, i've had coolers, and I did notice how tough the cash tables were- a lot of playback and good value bets on the river creating tough decisions, but this feels different from normal variance and just good play. what i mean is, i guess i don't play every tourney like its the WSOP ME, but i still have a good understanding of pre-flop hand strenght, tourney dynamics, fold equity, etc. So, in spots that I take a line that may be "a tiny spewy" it seems as if they ALL fail. The game is complex enough that doing enough things right, and a couple things slightly less than optimal should only effect your ROI a little bit, not wreck your entire approach to the game. other than being "a tiny spewy," sometimes I'm looking at the overall tourney dynmics, stack sizes, etc and I make an aggressive move to keep pace with the chip average, and it just never works.

what i keep thinking back to was 2 years ago when i first started playing. my roommate had played for a while several years earlier during college, but was never big into it. he warned me then, that how they drive up their rake is pitting good hands against eachother, and where did he play all those years ago? sportsbook. this is exactly what i see on merge, its a goddam mine field. i feel like if i adjust my entire game to a total ABC "optimal TAG" i can make money, but when i consider adjusting to the style of play, i hate having to adjust to the houses random number. prolly just variance, but let's just see what others have to say.... btw- who runs merge and why did they need to luck-box their way into customers if they've been around so long????

 

Originally Posted by double_kyan

lmao i do want help in bringing THE WIN FOR kk vs.Ax WITH 15 LEFT gross % on merge with KK other thn tht it is what it is grind on oh and btw when its regulated [hopefully] its gnna be the same thing numbers in a numerical13 system of 52 total have too butt heads so quit thinkn usa companies or usa regulated companies are going too make it different

What the fk did he just say??

Does anyone know, mathematically, when I have to question the randomness of the site? Like how many BB's I can be below EV/ 100 000 hands, just by running bad. I have recently switched to this site and am running REALLY bad. But, before I do anything serious, I wanted to know if it is possible to run this bad? Thanks for the time you have taken to support this topic.

 

Originally Posted by BodogBecky

I can assure you that none of the bodog brand licensees are rigged. They have auditing from three separate, independent companies for their own proprietary games and another testing lab for third-party games.

Proprietary games -> TST, Gaming Associates, eCOGRA
Third-party Games -> iTech Labs

There is more information available at the bodog brand site on which you are playing regarding the certification of their software.

Thanks,
Becky

can you tell us who is rigged? ;)

 

Originally Posted by double_kyan

lmao i do want help in bringing THE WIN FOR kk vs.Ax WITH 15 LEFT gross % on merge with KK other thn tht it is what it is grind on oh and btw when its regulated [hopefully] its gnna be the same thing numbers in a numerical13 system of 52 total have too butt heads so quit thinkn usa companies or usa regulated companies are going too make it different

dude ive said this before, but i swear your posts look like you're drunk when you type them. learn how to use commas and periods and at least separate your sentences.

 

Originally Posted by gjallen1975

this post hasn't gotten tossed into the BB forum, and I'm glad. i've really wanted to say something about the Merge network. And without saying, "it's rigged," I'll be politically correct and say, I don't like its "random number generation."

The reason I haven't said anything yet is I already know what most of the replies will be.....1)small sample, 2)variance, 3)shark-tank, 4)quit limping tool, 5)lose your password, and 6)go play chess.

still, i've had coolers, and I did notice how tough the cash tables were- a lot of playback and good value bets on the river creating tough decisions, but this feels different from normal variance and just good play. what i mean is, i guess i don't play every tourney like its the WSOP ME, but i still have a good understanding of pre-flop hand strenght, tourney dynamics, fold equity, etc. So, in spots that I take a line that may be "a tiny spewy" it seems as if they ALL fail. The game is complex enough that doing enough things right, and a couple things slightly less than optimal should only effect your ROI a little bit, not wreck your entire approach to the game. other than being "a tiny spewy," sometimes I'm looking at the overall tourney dynmics, stack sizes, etc and I make an aggressive move to keep pace with the chip average, and it just never works.

what i keep thinking back to was 2 years ago when i first started playing. my roommate had played for a while several years earlier during college, but was never big into it. he warned me then, that how they drive up their rake is pitting good hands against eachother, and where did he play all those years ago? sportsbook. this is exactly what i see on merge, its a goddam mine field. i feel like if i adjust my entire game to a total ABC "optimal TAG" i can make money, but when i consider adjusting to the style of play, i hate having to adjust to the houses random number. prolly just variance, but let's just see what others have to say.... btw- who runs merge and why did they need to luck-box their way into customers if they've been around so long????

wow this couldn't be filled with any more wrong ideas...

it's not rigged. merge network did not have a meeting and say 'lets screw gjallen because he is so good'.
dude, its not rigged. ur just playing bad. stop playing there until they reopen their doors. ull never get better until u realize its YOUR play, not the house. god people like this r so tilting

 

Originally Posted by bdluss

Crazy thought for those thinking that it is rigged and that is why they lose, maybe you just don't play well and don't adjust to different sites tournament structures and styles of play and that is why you lose. Heck gjallen you even said you could win $ by playing TAG, but you don't want to adjust your game. Well that is why you lose.

Of course, maybe I am just wrong and UB, then party, then stars, then FTP, then bodog all decided to give me the run good account.

lol, you lucky dog you:)

i can't believe there's another one of these threads.

the site's aren't rigged...you're just running poorly, or playing poorly...or a combination of the 2

Yep merge is definately rigged I always win with my ax vs ak 90% of the time and i beat qq kk with a2 whenever i play it so now when i get a2 i just go all or min raise unless im in the button then i raise half my stack to confuse the system into giving me quads or the royal flush when i get called allin another thing you want to go for on merge is having 66 vs aa aip in the 100k if you get 66 you might as well go all in cuz you will always get a set if someone has aa or kk but you can lose to qq or 55 and i can prove it with the 504 mtt hands i have played

 

Originally Posted by tedSTRETCH

Yep merge is definately rigged I always win with my ax vs ak 90% of the time and i beat qq kk with a2 whenever i play it so now when i get a2 i just go all or min raise unless im in the button then i raise half my stack to confuse the system into giving me quads or the royal flush when i get called allin another thing you want to go for on merge is having 66 vs aa aip in the 100k if you get 66 you might as well go all in cuz you will always get a set if someone has aa or kk but you can lose to qq or 55 and i can prove it with the 504 mtt hands i have played

are you sure this is going to work?

 

Originally Posted by SpankyHamm

I still think there is a drama subroutine that applies to hands that are AIPF.
- AA vs. KQ - flop will have either K or Q for the 2 pair/trips draw or an AJ for a straight draw
- If you flop trips, the other guy will flop or turn a straight draw
- If you have AA vs. any 2 suited, flop will have one of those suits and turn will add a four flush
- If you have overpair vs. underpair, the underpair will hit the 2 outer on the river 50% of the time or more rather than flop or turn (if it hits, it definitely is more than the actual 20% probability that it hits on the river).

this is actually very true. ur mental thot process for those huge hands is always 'please hold!' or 'please catch!'

ive always felt like the turn brought so much drama because whutever the turn is, it gives someone else "x" amount of outs. its all mental, but no the site isnt rigged.

 

Originally Posted by OhScissorMe

I've been trying something lately. I start by looking away from the computer monitor once I first see the cards aipf. However, you need to look back when the turn card comes, this is important. Finally, look away again and look back when the river hits. It's easiest with the sound on because you can hear when the cards fall. I am starting to have a hunch that if you stare at the cards directly while they fall the rng punishes you. I've used this strategy with mixed results.

ty, will try.