well tedstretched is fucking murdering merge, but a lot of people, myself included, are pretty much of the same opinion you are. maybe we can keep this out of BB by getting some discussion going on a couple points.

-What other Americans are crushing Merge?

-How would you compare Merge with Cereus? I would say they have close to the same number of players, but the similarities stop there. Merge has better pros (Moorman? vs. Mouth/Cunt), and more un-caught superusers and collusion, much better players, and Cereus had better everything else...

i had AK on two tables at the same time, then flopped two pair with both, and lost both hands.

now the odds of having AK at two tables isn't that crazy, and the odds of flopping two pair with each of them is something that will happen if you play long enough, but when you factor in the fact that both lost (on the flop), that's some pretty long odds.

You beat me to this post OP.. I feel your pain

 

Originally Posted by unemployable

wow ya'll are weird.

merge is cool.

I'm not a hardcore online grinder, never been. But I'm a winner at stars until they stopped letting me play. And I'm on Hero and without making a deposit or having a major freeroll win I'm sitting on a $450 roll atm.

When you finally stop thinking there are forces at work to make you lose, you will allow yourself the mindset needed to win. I've taken brutal suck outs in merge tourneys and still go on to take them down. Stop this crap conspiracy thinking and grind harder.

Thankyou for your post but youve cashed in a grand total of 5 mtts on merge i cant take what your saying for any kind of value

Merge is a tougher site now because all the good US players that got booted from stars and FTP play MTT's on Merge now... The fields aren't big but they're stacked with talent... meaning less leakage.... meaning less stack size and 1 bad or UL play and you're out!!! We need to get back on the WORLD Wide Web, over all weaker players with bigger fields = mo money$!

 

Originally Posted by Iplaythabored

there are a ton of things that they need to fix but its the best option we have atm, as for being rigged it has been confirmed by kavilla that the site is without a doubt rigged and littered w superusers

lmao that dude cries about crying

 

Originally Posted by NINYIM

Merge is a tougher site now because all the good US players that got booted from stars and FTP play MTT's on Merge now... The fields aren't big but they're stacked with talent... meaning less leakage.... meaning less stack size and 1 bad or UL play and you're out!!! We need to get back on the WORLD Wide Web, over all weaker players with bigger fields = mo money$!

nah

Normally I would not comment on this subject.... but here is my experience and you can make your own judgment. I used to play tons on Cereus and I did see a lot of fishy things happen. Every time I would see a player hit multiple miracles I would look them up and they had consistently played less than 100 games. It got to the point where I could predict which players at the table I would lose against and which I would run normal against based merely on # of games played. Now I realize correlation does not mean causation but its just an observation. Eventually I developed a roll that allowed me to play at a high enough buyin level where everyone in the games were experienced.... the math began to change drastically and I ran well (or true).

I have noticed similar things on Merge. Started out fine then I had an unbelievably awful run (primarily against new players). Guys calling off on flop and turn with 2 and 3 outs getting there consistently, flopping sets deep in mtts and losing to top pair that goes runner runner higher boat etc. So I finally switched skins and within the first 12 games hit 3 final tables and mincashed a few others... up 100+ buyins.

I noticed a lot of new players joining Merge in the past 8 weeks or so.... the same time period that my downfall began. I have also looked up many other Merge regs who play the $20-$100 games and many of them have also experienced relatively extended downswings during this period.

Just my observations fwiw, it could all be in my head, and probably is. IMO none of us have played enough games on Merge to make a statistically significant conclusion, but I support anyone who wants to attempt this.

edit: I have been accused of being a Merge bot by Kavilla, who is clearly world-class.

 

Originally Posted by donkiman

Normally I would not comment on this subject.... but here is my experience and you can make your own judgment. I used to play tons on Cereus and I did see a lot of fishy things happen. Every time I would see a player hit multiple miracles I would look them up and they had consistently played less than 100 games. It got to the point where I could predict which players at the table I would lose against and which I would run normal against based merely on # of games played. Now I realize correlation does not mean causation but its just an observation. Eventually I developed a roll that allowed me to play at a high enough buyin level where everyone in the games were experienced.... the math began to change drastically and I ran well (or true).

I have noticed similar things on Merge. Started out fine then I had an unbelievably awful run (primarily against new players). Guys calling off on flop and turn with 2 and 3 outs getting there consistently, flopping sets deep in mtts and losing to top pair that goes runner runner higher boat etc. So I finally switched skins and within the first 12 games hit 3 final tables and mincashed a few others... up 100+ buyins.

I noticed a lot of new players joining Merge in the past 8 weeks or so.... the same time period that my downfall began. I have also looked up many other Merge regs who play the $20-$100 games and many of them have also experienced relatively extended downswings during this period.

Just my observations fwiw, it could all be in my head, and probably is. IMO none of us have played enough games on Merge to make a statistically significant conclusion, but I support anyone who wants to attempt this.

edit: I have been accused of being a Merge bot by Kavilla, who is clearly world-class.

lol yah tht joker called me a proven cheater..................during a huge downswing[lol] i went too live didnt feel like making a 2nd deposit, plus i need money NOW [u know what i mean]

 

Originally Posted by bustyou79

OK let me start by saying I have never thought a site or poker was or is rigged against one player or another. I am leaning in that direction now. After having very few options as to where to play online poker after BF I chose to seek out a backing deal in order to be able to still grind online. Having my $$$ tied up on tilt hasn't allowed me to play live as much as i want. So for the past 4 months ive been grinding on merge and i am OK with losing as this is a big part of POKER, however it seems like its a 180 degree turn from the game i loved and once knew from stars or FTP. Now obv there should be minor adjustments made when playing on a new site to get a feel for the software and new players. I find myself now losing everyday in spots where i know im playing good if not great poker. I am not just talking about flips and losing them, i can somewhat avoid these spots by improving post flop play and thats what ive been doing. But im now losing every flip i enter as well as 2 n 3 outers seem to be norm. Ive long said to myself and others play good worry never. I have gone through the ups and downs of online poker for over 3 years now and feel like im in a rut i cant get out of now not sure if its me or something else. Maybe im overreacting to a bad run of cards but i feel like im better than alot of the people that win on merge and im playing the same aggro style that you need to play to win mtts. I feel like i cant win now , not a mtt but a fucking hand!!!! Im looking for thoughts on how you guys feel about the software and board runouts.

My thoughts are : I feel like im playing with a 72 card deck, the people that made this software couldnt have had a clue about poker cause the #s dont add up, if it were really %5 then i wouldnt waste my time pissing and moaning about losing to it but its happening everyday allday. my point here is if im 90% plus then i have a lot more winners in the deck then the 2 or 3 outer that falls way to often. The worst hand flops a huge draw or a pair a very high % of the time and i feel like this shouldnt be the case as often as it is. OBV shits gonna happen im just saying it happens way to often. The way they double up the short stacks that have 5 BBs or less by dealing them AA is a gross display off whats wrong with this software in my opinion as this is not SOP and very rarely happens in real poker.

my thoughts on the people that are winning on merge are what makes these guys so good just on merge cause a lot of them never won shit on the other sites.
how can these people be so (GOOD) but only on merge. Im not trying to offend these people at all im just trying to figure out how you guys win playing the same way i am but your winning and im losing. Now i am completely reserved to the fact that im an aggro maniac and this may have alot to do with the swings that i go through. However i have been a proven consistent winner in this game for 3 plus years now and i know that i can continue to win.

Please feel free to discuss more. would like to hear how some of you regs feel about what ive brought up.

This, x's 1000...... love getting it in as 93-95% fav and get rivered with 2-3 outer for all your chips. Makes me feel alot better knowing i'm not the only person who runs like a three legged turtle tied to a tree.

 

Originally Posted by kevmode

MErge has a decent schedule but the software is horrible compared to Full Tilt and Poker stars. The regs on Merge also play the short stack a lot different with 20<bb. The structures on Merge are also horrible compared to FTP and Stars.

i see top 20 players flatting from sb n bb all day w like 12bbs or less like... o rly...mostly JiJi haha and others i can't think of cuz im stoned atm...

thats the case for me, on pokerstars